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powercast today we're going to honor

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somebody that many of you never heard of

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but to us and the people deeply involved

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in ufo research he was considered what

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we call the rock of ufology and to honor

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lucius farish on the paracast

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chris and i have assembled some longtime

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friends of mine jerome clark whom i've

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known for

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you know as long as there's been time

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later because he used to be involved

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with a magazine called ufo magazine

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having nothing to do

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with the ufo magazine that we all know

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about that was run by don and vicky

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ecker and later by bill and nancy burns

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of course nancy talbott who we've talked

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to on a number of occasions about crop

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circles but also has a long association

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with lucius farish jerry clark since you

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are the honorary historian here amongst

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our crew would you tell our listeners

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who was lucius farish well lou was

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somebody that i knew

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like eugene about as long as i've been

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in this subject which is back in the

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early 60s lou and i began corresponding

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about 1964 1965

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and i think that that's how a lot of us

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got to know each other ray palmer used

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to have a flying sausage club news

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department in his magazine flying

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saucers and it was really served a great

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function and all of us got in touch

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directly or indirectly through flying

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saucer club news and it was almost like

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the first facebook before there was a

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facebook there was a flying saucer club

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news and i think that directly or

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indirectly lou and i began corresponding

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that he was always a few years older

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i am and lou was just like so many of us

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just someone who stumbled into the

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subject and thought hmm this is

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interesting i'd like to know more about

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this and in those days you know it was

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really hard to find people to

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communicate with about you know a free

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subject like this so when you found

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people who seem to know something and

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with whom you were personally compatible

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for a letter to come from your

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correspondent and all of us did that

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very actively and lou and i corresponded

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certainly the rest of his life and lou

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was perhaps his most lasting

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contribution that people would know him

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for was he put together ufo news

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clipping service which was exactly what

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newspaper clothing clippings put into

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legal sized paper and put in the mail

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about ufo sightings and foreign

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phenomena in the newspapers beyond that

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where he lived all of his life and which

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sad to say but i could understand why

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because you and i didn't really see

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things the same he was more oriented

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toward contactees and things like that

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than i was and we'd argued about that at

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one time many years ago and quite loudly

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and vociferously now we just agreed to

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disagree

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and in the course of my life i met lou

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in person i think only twice and i was

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just struck at what a nice man he was he

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was soft-spoken and and gentle in his

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manner and i just really enjoyed being

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in his company i wish i could have done

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that more often but he was somebody who

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through persistence and through the

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contributions that he made in his own

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way you know well being remembered he

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guy and and and made a mark in the right

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him but i know that i will miss him he

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reasons why i think many people may have

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familiar with lou and his work and who

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lou ferris was was not a self-promoter a

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cult of personality i think i think lou

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internet before the internet that's how

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important when that when that clipping

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service came came to my mailbox uh and i

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think one of the things that our

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listeners will find out today is is what

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a visionary he was uh in terms of his

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conference and uh and the news clipping

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nancy talbot you knew lou ferris very

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well tell us how you remember him well i

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didn't nobody very few people knew lou

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a very private uh southern gentleman

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information here from this marvelous guy

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jerry blackburn

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uh making sure that lou was informed

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about you know he got messages and carts

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and everything from all of us

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newspaper he was quite smart and he

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could read newspapers uh when he went to

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the first grade that he was

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valedictorian of his um high school

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crap i can't stand and lou

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cattle mutilation thing

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apparently from that conference

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he was uh he played bass

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double section that they you know used

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for this and play music original music

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as well as you know well-known hits

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hours and on end with everybody and

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their mother i mean the place would be

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they could talk without cameras and

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without microphones and argue amongst

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themselves seriously carry on real

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debate about what a particular finding

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a very serious discussion in these

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situations with all this fabulous music

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theparacast.com

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with gene steinberg and chris o'brien

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you're in the paracas we are honoring

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the late lucius farish who meant a lot

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to many people in the ufo field

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particularly those who were involved in

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the 70s and 80s we have nancy talbot of

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blt research who of course is

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specialized in crop circle investigation

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my old buddy kurt sutherly who's also

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written quite a bit on ufos jerry clark

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our favorite ufo historian and rick

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hillberg who's new to the show and we'll

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get into a lot more detail nancy about

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what you remember from okay blue ferris

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i wanted to get into some other

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remembrances first

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kurt it's been i think over two years

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since you've been on the power cast and

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we're so glad to have you back my friend

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tell us how you remember lou farrish

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well lou is one of the first people that

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i

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when

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you first started as an individual you

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would first start to get involved in

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something like this and when you hooked

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up with somebody or you met someone or

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heard of someone who had a similar

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interest you tended to gravitate toward

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that person and that's what happened

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with me and lou at one point i

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don't remember how i managed to get his

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address it may have been from rick

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hillberg i sent him sent lua

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a letter

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he responded with a short letter and

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that set off

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a series of letters and of course this

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is long before email and we corresponded

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through the mail but probably in the

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order of one maybe two letters a week uh

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for for years

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i mean we'd discuss anything i talked to

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lou a couple of times in the telephone

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he would actually have to go to a

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payphone to to call me or to receive my

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call because he didn't have a phone at

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the house at the time but i felt about

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lou like he was the big brother that i

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never had during that period

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i mean he was somebody that i could

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bounce off the wildest ideas and the

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craziest concepts about ufos or

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paranormal phenomena of any sort

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and he would listen and he would

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understand he wouldn't always agree with

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me in fact most of the time we didn't

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agree

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but he would he would listen he would

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throw a response back either over the

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phone or through a letter

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and we would just continue this and it

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was this constant dialogue that went on

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for years and of course then finally i

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did get to meet him during the uh the

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infamous trip that gene and i made to

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the fort smith conference where we

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stopped at plumberville and actually

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picked up blue and took him along and i

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guess gene i guess we can probably get

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into that a little later well you know

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it's very funny too because i think that

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was the last for that car it started

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smoking and belching

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every time we'd start the car and this

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if you look up the history on wikipedia

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look up the history of the mazda rx2 one

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of the first

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of the mazda rotary engine cars in the

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us and you'll see what went wrong and

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what the defects were but that's what

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happened so i could say the fort smith

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arkansas event in 1975

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pretty well did that car in and by the

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way if you go online and check my

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facebook page there's a picture of me at

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that event with

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stanton friedman i will not say who is

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aged better

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as far as the car goes i remember we

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left plumberville with lou in the back

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and literally a cloud of smoke billowing

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out of that car all the way to fort

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smith

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[Laughter]

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it was white smoke by the way yes it was

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and technically it's when the rotor

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seals get and i only get into automotive

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stuff it was pretty crazy but you also

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bought a present with you

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yes i do for lou

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and this is

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a famous

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lunch meat i guess well i think this was

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an idea that you and i had cooked up

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together you know i mean you were at the

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time you were kind of a

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quasi-pennsylvanian native and of course

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you knew about lebanon bologna i don't

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know how many how many of your listeners

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have ever heard of lebanon bologna i'm

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sure that a lot of them have some maybe

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in the west coast have never heard of it

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but i bought an entire log of lebanon

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bologna this is about a

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two two and a half foot long log this

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thing's about

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oh six inches in diameter and i had my

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about this uh in one of the letters and

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he had never had lebanon bologna he had

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never heard of it anyway i took this

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along on the trip and when we got there

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gene and i presented this to lou and he

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tucked it away in his house and we took

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off for fort smith

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months later uh long after the

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conference is over and we're back in our

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normal routines lou and i were again

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corresponding and one day i received a

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letter from him and

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all it said typed very neatly in the

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middle of the page was the baloney is

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all gaunty

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[Laughter]

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and he uh later we talked about it a

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little a little more seriously and he

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said instead of just terrific he said he

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really you know would have liked to have

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had another log of this stuff and i i

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should have just packed another one up

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and sent it to him but for some reason i

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never did i it was it was just one of

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those kind of comical things that had

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nothing at all to do with the ufo

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phenomenon or any kind of 14 phenomena

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but it was it was part of the the spirit

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part of the atmosphere of the the ufo

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club if you want to call it that back at

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the time

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yeah and gene and i talked about this a

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little before the show this people like

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lou

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and some of the others that have already

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passed on uh and of course we're we're

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getting up there ourselves none of us

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are young anymore

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we're part of a dining breed and when

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when we're gone

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there isn't going to be anything like

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that again ever

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because the kids today that are doing

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their research

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quote on quote research on the internet

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they don't understand i think maybe

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chris

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is probably one of the of a few of the

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younger people that are out there that

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are still doing some serious research

519
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but

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for the most part it's just not

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happening anymore and it's sad and lou

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is part of that lou was in the in the

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vanguard of that

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yeah he was too

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by the way that other voice we got

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another voice we're going to introduce

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here and that is somebody i've known

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longer than anyone on this panel for

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better or worse his name is rick

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hillberg

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and as i mentioned when i introduced you

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earlier rick

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you once had a magazine called ufo

534
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magazine no relationship to the current

535
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one but of course you never trademarked

536
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the name so you have no rights against

537
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the current one tell us about

538
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,039
the original ufo magazine well the

539
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original ufo magazine started about the

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time i first got in touch with lou

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ferris and that was probably i would say

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about 1962.

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again you know as you you mentioned

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before that iconic column in ray

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palmer's magazine the flying saucer club

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news

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i got in touch with several researchers

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or we like to call ourselves researchers

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we were just teen ufologists

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and uh one of those being alan

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greenfield the southern fellow from he

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was then living in atlanta and

553
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actually alan gave me um lou ferriss's

554
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name and and address and everything and

555
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i you know started correspond with lou

556
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and he i would send him to ufo magazine

557
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and and that that's kind of how we

558
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hooked up together but a ufo magazine

559
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ran from like 1962 up until 1970 and

560
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then my good friend laid al manik who

561
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started a

562
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a friendly rival publication called

563
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flying saucer digest approached me and

564
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said how'd you like to join forces and

565
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this was back in 1970 uh we indeed you

566
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know joined forces and that's when ufo

567
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magazine was gone you're right i never

568
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trademarked it or anything like that and

569
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and when the the later day magazine came

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out it's uh you know it was kind of like

571
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a boy i i did better than this and and

572
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i'm rather proud of the of the ufo

573
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magazine the old scene um and that uh we

574
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carried a lot of you know nice

575
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speculative articles uh a lot of

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sightings uh

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and we took a very very you know

578
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conservative approach as i think you

579
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know most people took in those days hey

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into the paracast let me tell you what

684
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you're going to hear stuff here that you

685
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

686
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that george snorri

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689
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clark kurt sutherly rick hillberg new to

690
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our show rick of course you've heard the

691
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others and we're talking about the life

692
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and times of not just lucious farish but

693
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,400
also life and times of the ufo field

694
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,440
especially during the 60s 70s and 80s so

695
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,440
rick there's another thing we should

696
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talk about and this is something that i

697
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,440
mentioned before

698
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:43,679
we did a show by the way

699
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honoring the late richard hall who at

700
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that time of the 60s was the big wig the

701
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,600
the second in command were the acting

702
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,919
director over at nightcap major keogh's

703
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,080
organization and we talked about this

704
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,399
because on that particular trip back in

705
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,080
1965

706
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,720
you and i rick allen greenfield and one

707
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,080
of my friends from brooklyn new york

708
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,080
marty saw kind haven't heard from him in

709
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,919
years i think this whole experience

710
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,240
completely upset him but you were with

711
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,159
me we go to

712
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:14,240
the headquarters of nycat national

713
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:15,760
investigations committee on aerial

714
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,720
phenomena in washington dc off dupont

715
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,720
plaza very near where

716
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,880
in the movie davier stood still michael

717
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,720
renegade shot down

718
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:27,360
within right you know a stone's throw

719
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,399
from there

720
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:31,120
okay what was your feeling about what

721
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,799
you were dragged into

722
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,039
well it was kind of it was a very funny

723
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:36,880
situation of course you and i and

724
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,520
greenfield were quite active

725
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,159
in the ufo field at that time greenfield

726
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,399
had several publications over the years

727
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,080
you had a very nice publication at the

728
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,760
time as you recall i can't remember the

729
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,760
name of the dog on it was it the ufo

730
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,600
cider or reporter or something like that

731
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:52,960
i can't remember

732
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:56,080
but anyway we were all very involved

733
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,520
actually the day before this

734
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,520
confrontation happened on connecticut

735
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,760
avenue we all drove down to loubre

736
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virginia to interview the

737
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famous major kehoe don quijo

738
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and we spent a whole afternoon with him

739
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:11,760
and i believe you had a tape recorder

740
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:12,399
and

741
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,559
you know had a very nice chat with him

742
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,200
and discussed ufo research and whatnot

743
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,039
the next day we were scheduled to visit

744
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,799
the nycap offices

745
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,799
and we walked into the office and

746
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,120
introduced ourselves and then mr hall

747
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:29,360
came out the call came out and saw

748
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,039
eugene and he said you know you're not

749
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,039
welcome here you know please leave the

750
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office so all of us left and as they

751
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,440
recall we were you know somewhat

752
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,200
indignant about the whole thing it was

753
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:41,760
not really fair i mean you you had

754
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,120
criticized nycap and uh in print a few

755
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,039
times and particularly you know along

756
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,200
with jim mosley we immediately you know

757
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,039
took offense at this this was not

758
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,679
playing fair and we i think we went down

759
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,840
to a stenographer's office somewhere in

760
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,760
the vicinity and dictated a letter to

761
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,080
ray palmer and had it notarized telling

762
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:02,640
of the whole you know sorry affair

763
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:06,399
and ray ran a letter from us and an

764
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article called no investigations can

765
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,760
actually proceed which of course was

766
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,360
nightcap again and what's more

767
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:15,679
interesting is before we did that though

768
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,320
i knew ray palmer you and i

769
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,720
were on that trip we met ray palmer in

770
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,559
amherst wisconsin

771
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:24,399
and i called ray and i said what do you

772
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,840
want us to do what do you think we

773
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,360
should do about this and he said just

774
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,799
send me the letter and i'll take care of

775
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,240
it he sure did

776
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:32,320
now at the same time we have this

777
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,360
movement then called hall must fall

778
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,840
something that jim mosley and i devised

779
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,600
and what a year or two later hall was

780
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,320
gone from nightcap yes and not too long

781
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,320
after that night out itself you know

782
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,480
sort of self-destructed over the years

783
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,919
have been so many

784
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,159
allegations about you know that it was

785
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,399
taken over by you know government

786
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,559
influences or whatever but i i think it

787
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,279
was just a very ineptly run organization

788
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:58,960
and actually the the main thrust of

789
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,000
nightcap was not so much it was twofold

790
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,720
one to try to end their perceived

791
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,760
government

792
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,240
censorship of ufo information through

793
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:10,880
the uh vehicle of congressional hearings

794
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:13,679
and they they came up with a a

795
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:16,640
rather large book in 1964 that they call

796
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,080
edited the ufo evidence volume one of it

797
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,600
and it had hundreds and hundreds of

798
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,360
cases in there and it was basically

799
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,760
mailed to all the members of congress in

800
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:27,600
the hope of you know getting

801
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,600
congressional hearings and i think

802
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:31,919
that's really where nightcap fell down

803
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,000
because they they they put their entire

804
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,080
thrust behind getting these

805
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:38,880
congressional hearings and trying to uh

806
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,360
trying to break the silence group as

807
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,919
kehoe used to sometimes call them

808
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,399
and they lost track of the fact that

809
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:48,399
they were you know there to really

810
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,960
investigate the phenomena and to to try

811
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,440
to come up with some answers and in my

812
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,440
mind at least i think that that's their

813
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,120
that's their big downfall of course

814
00:32:00,870 --> 00:32:00,000
organizations such as buffon who was

815
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:00,880
really

816
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,720
actively investigate ufos and to

817
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,039
document what they what they found and i

818
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,120
think that's why they succeeded and

819
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,360
nycap just kind of faded away into

820
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,279
obscurity you covered a lot of that

821
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:17,039
period jerry what's your take on

822
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,559
nightcap i know we've talked about it a

823
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,279
bit before but maybe amplify it in terms

824
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,960
of what rick just said yeah i think that

825
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everything that makes sense is true i

826
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:27,919
just want to add some background and

827
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,080
detail to this first of all i want to

828
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:32,399
say that dick hall was very close friend

829
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:35,679
of mine and my hero in this field that

830
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,320
said i also know that dick had a short

831
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,399
fuse and sometimes even i was at the

832
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:43,440
receiving end of it but that aside my

833
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:46,799
camp basically because of kehoe's

834
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,919
obsessions became at least in its public

835
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,760
face a lobbying

836
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,440
kiel was convinced it was a big air

837
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:55,279
force cover-up and the way to uncover it

838
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,720
of course was through congressional

839
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,760
hearings so if you read the nightcap ufo

840
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,240
investigator its publication

841
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,720
it was mostly about battling the air

842
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,880
force but what was going on behind the

843
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,559
scenes and i didn't really appreciate

844
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:11,360
this until i spend a lot of time in the

845
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,000
nicad files while i was researching my

846
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,120
ufo encyclopedia in the 1990s and that

847
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:19,440
is like really

848
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,120
did fantastic investigative work through

849
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,679
its subcommittees it had set up the

850
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,440
system dick hall was responsible for

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00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,360
this setting up these subcommittees

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00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,039
throughout the country and they were

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headed for the most part by very good

854
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:37,120
energetic intelligent people who really

855
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:40,720
really did superb jobs investigating ufo

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00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,840
cases in fact the late dr james mcdonald

857
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,159
was a physicist interested in ufos

858
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,320
discovered these files too and he said

859
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this is the model of how you conduct the

860
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,240
ufo investigation unfortunately very

861
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:56,799
little of that marvelous field work came

862
00:34:03,350 --> 00:33:59,919
to light it was just filed in these big

863
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:03,360
fat files at nightcap it was not the

864
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,720
subject of books or lengthy papers

865
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,280
detailing the investigations of specific

866
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,159
cases as it should have been it's just a

867
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,079
lot of that stuff emerges in my

868
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:16,480
encyclopedia some of the articles that i

869
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,839
wrote are based on the nycap

870
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,040
investigations stuff that was never

871
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,000
published or publicized before but my

872
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cap really was a group that kind of

873
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,000
worked against itself in some ways and

874
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finally what i want to say is no the cia

875
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did not take down nightcap it was really

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bad administration and you know took

877
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down nightcap as they say right my cap

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did in nightcap right well i think one

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of the things you mentioned is that you

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know major kehoe all his charms all the

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ability he had and the people he knew he

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wasn't a very good administrator he was

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a terrible administrator in fact what

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happened was that some of the well-fixed

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members of the board starting with jb

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harcraft became really concerned when

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they began studying the bylaws to

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discover that if nycap went under and it

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had significant deaths by then the board

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members would be financially responsible

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and when hardcraft sound saw this he

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just went ballistic he saw to it that

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kiehl was fired the whole organization

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was and hall was fired the whole

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organization was redone to protect the

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finances of its wealthy benefactors and

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eventually the organization just died

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because it had lost its reason to exist

899
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,760
it was no longer built around a

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charismatic figure like kegel however

901
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incompetent administrator he was you

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00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:40,800
know parenthetically by the way

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ten years later i interviewed kehoe over

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at that fort smith ufo conference as

905
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kurt remembers i also had a brief

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encounter with richard hall we shook

907
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hands

908
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there's richard hulk now calling from

909
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the other side and basically richard

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hall and i shook hands

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no harm done

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unfortunately when we finally got the

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power cast going

914
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and i was thinking of the guests i'd

915
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like to have on richard hall was really

916
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high on the list but at that point he

917
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was quite ill

918
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and unfortunately he died i guess in

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virtual poverty

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at the end of his life it was it's kind

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of sad really he died in poverty and

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he has really had sacrificed his life

923
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for the subject he had great integrity

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great intelligence and as i say he was

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has always been my model of what a

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ufology should be i'll tell you what

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about with gene and chris you're in the

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for freedom of 800-880-9976

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and you are listening to the paracast

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with gene and chris you're in the power

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cast and we're focusing on a lot of

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subjects here starting with lucius

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farish and how he inspired us to think

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about

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other things you kind of think here this

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ufo clipping service that he provided

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for everyone it's almost like the first

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google because you can get all your

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information in one place you didn't have

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to didn't have the ability to search

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online in those days you didn't have the

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cheap computers everybody has our guests

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are kurt sutherly rick hillberg jerry

1048
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clark nancy talbot nancy why don't you

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add a few comments here well i'm

1050
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listening to these other guys and

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uh

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remembering i was not involved in the

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ufo field back then although i had had

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some i actually had a close encounter

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when i was a kid

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but i knew all of these people

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and was

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very surprised when i got a call from

1059
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lou for the first time to come and be

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part of the conference and i what i hear

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people talking about and i agree with a

1062
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hundred percent

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is lou was interested in real research

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uh not just stories not just people's

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ideas and imaginings but he wanted and

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was interested in serious research and

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serious debate the fact of what that i

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was involved at that time and still am

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in this very scientific approach to the

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crop circle situation apparently it

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fascinated lou and that's why he uh

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asked me to come

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down to the conference and he gave me

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i'll never i'm so honored now when i

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think of it that he the information we

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had so much information

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that it was hard to

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put it in a very narrow say one hour

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slot and so lou gave me

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friday night was my night and i could go

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as long two hours three hours as long as

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i felt or as long as i had material to

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present to that audience and it was

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quite an honor and it gave me the

1085
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opportunity to present in-depth

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information that in most of these

1087
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conferences you really don't have the

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time to do a very thorough job if you're

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talking about

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scientific work because there are lots

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of nuances that have to be explained in

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order for people to get the whole point

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and lou was absolutely intent that that

1094
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,200
information be made available and he

1095
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,160
gave me a fabulous opportunity to do it

1096
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,040
i am honored that he did that for me and

1097
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:42,079
will never forget it i think also that

1098
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,040
lou

1099
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,599
one of his greatest gifts was

1100
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,480
there are many opinions in the ufo field

1101
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,560
and in the crop circle field in all of

1102
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,280
the anomalous phenomenal research people

1103
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,280
have many different ideas

1104
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:57,440
and lou encouraged

1105
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,640
real discussion a real debate

1106
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,040
not acrimonious you know blah blah blah

1107
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:04,640
back and forth you're an idiot you're a

1108
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,599
fool

1109
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:08,079
but discussion and debate about the

1110
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:11,520
factually derived material and it was

1111
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,400
that aspect of his conference

1112
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:16,480
much of which took place at the lone

1113
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:17,359
star

1114
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,640
where people

1115
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,800
i mean they'd sit up all night long

1116
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,640
literally i saw dawn

1117
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,319
i think every single night that i was

1118
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,160
yeah there were a couple years we were

1119
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,800
up for days yeah

1120
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,440
and this would be ongoing serious

1121
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,160
discussions where people were presenting

1122
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,960
very different opinions or ideas

1123
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,040
and then listening to the next guy's

1124
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,200
opinions and ideas

1125
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:43,040
picking them apart whenever that could

1126
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,079
be done

1127
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,960
but it was done in the spirit of genuine

1128
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,119
interest in trying to figure out what

1129
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,680
the heck was going on my earliest

1130
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,359
exposure to the eureka springs

1131
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,079
conference was just a couple years after

1132
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:58,400
getting involved in this field as a

1133
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,520
as an aspiring field investigator and

1134
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,520
i remember distinctly my first trip to

1135
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,599
the ozark conference

1136
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:07,040
is where i met

1137
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,960
some of my now long time friends in the

1138
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,960
field and uh

1139
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,040
of course tom adams and gary massey

1140
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,680
those two unsung heroes

1141
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,280
like we'll talk about gary a little bit

1142
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,880
later i think but

1143
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,280
those two guys did more i think to to

1144
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,640
really further the conference and really

1145
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,440
get the whole the vibe of the lone star

1146
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,920
bar you know in a really productive

1147
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:31,760
way so that people could let their hair

1148
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,560
down

1149
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,040
and then really as nancy was describing

1150
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,680
uh debate the the finer points of of our

1151
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,119
research and

1152
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,520
one thing i must say i mean i'm jealous

1153
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,440
nancy that lou would have you and not

1154
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,280
only give you a slot but give you the

1155
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,400
whole evening

1156
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,480
invariably the four or five years that i

1157
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,160
went lou would have

1158
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:52,400
on sunday mornings he would have 20

1159
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,319
minute little mini uh presentations that

1160
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,160
you know the not the main speakers but

1161
00:46:03,030 --> 00:45:59,920
other speakers would be invited to give

1162
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,040
a little summations of of their work and

1163
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,440
wouldn't you know it every year lou had

1164
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:07,760
me on as the first speaker at eight in

1165
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,640
the morning and i remember two or three

1166
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,640
years in a row i literally would get

1167
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,040
about 20 minutes or half hour worth of

1168
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,000
sleep to be ready for that that sunday

1169
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,720
morning slot so consider yourself lucky

1170
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,040
in that regard i i always got stuck with

1171
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,119
the toughest lot in the whole conference

1172
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:26,800
now that is the toughest because

1173
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,920
everybody was so hungover that

1174
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,440
if they could get down there they

1175
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,839
probably couldn't hear too good

1176
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,359
i know what that slot feels like i've

1177
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,520
done that once or twice when it was not

1178
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,280
with the the publisher had me running

1179
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,960
around promoting the book it's pretty

1180
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,880
hard

1181
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:45,040
you know it's they're very few places

1182
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,000
now

1183
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,960
people have become so uh

1184
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,319
imbued

1185
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:52,560
with their own opinions

1186
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:56,160
and they're very few opportunities now

1187
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,359
to

1188
00:47:00,950 --> 00:47:00,160
discuss intelligently discuss

1189
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,960
uh

1190
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,160
ideas

1191
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,480
because people's egos have gotten

1192
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,520
involved in whatever their own stance is

1193
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:10,560
and so what happens in many situations

1194
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,440
now

1195
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:14,400
is the egos of somebody surfaces to the

1196
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:15,280
point

1197
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:16,079
where

1198
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:21,520
about is the subject not your opinions

1199
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,640
it's very difficult to find an outlet

1200
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:25,920
for that

1201
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,880
anymore and lou was an absolute genius

1202
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,440
at arranging a situation

1203
00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:34,000
that then allowed for that to happen and

1204
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,560
of course gary and tom

1205
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:39,680
and uh uh david perkins

1206
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,160
and dave murphy these guys they were all

1207
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,079
part of it they were part of the

1208
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,440
ambiance

1209
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,280
that set the tone

1210
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:49,920
that then made it so that everybody felt

1211
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:53,119
free to say whatever was of real

1212
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:54,640
interest to them

1213
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,079
and uh not be they wouldn't be attacked

1214
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,400
they would be listened to and then

1215
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,160
people would raise whatever serious

1216
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:04,640
questions they had there was no holding

1217
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,520
back but it wasn't acrimonious it was

1218
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,520
real debate

1219
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:11,280
you know a lot of that i think started

1220
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,160
with

1221
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,119
some of the i mean i'm kind of a maybe

1222
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:16,720
before i go any further better back up a

1223
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,560
little bit i'm kind of a johnny come

1224
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,960
lately to this outside of outside of

1225
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,240
chris i think

1226
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,359
uh maybe you nancy everybody here has

1227
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,760
been involved in ufo research a lot

1228
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,200
longer well maybe not a lot longer but

1229
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,680
about probably 10 years longer than i

1230
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:33,520
i have been

1231
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:36,319
i came in all of this in the

1232
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,520
late 60s early 70s

1233
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,440
and the fort smith conference which we

1234
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,119
referred to a number of times was one of

1235
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:45,280
the first really big conferences that i

1236
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,480
attended

1237
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,040
and nancy you're talking about

1238
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,720
uh some of the

1239
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:52,800
the discussions that went on

1240
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,000
uh in eureka springs with with lou and

1241
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,599
and gary massey and the rest of them uh

1242
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:00,960
tom adams

1243
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,599
adams and massey were at fort smith

1244
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,559
yeah

1245
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,160
there were

1246
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,160
on two or three nights in gene you were

1247
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,880
part of this if you recall we had on a

1248
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,240
couple of different nights maybe three

1249
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,920
different nights

1250
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,319
we would have gatherings in somebody's

1251
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,760
room or another and it would be a bunch

1252
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,359
of us we just crowd in there and just

1253
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,960
like nancy was talking about we'd be up

1254
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:22,960
all night we'd be just discussing

1255
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,160
debating and it was it was pretty pretty

1256
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,800
intense it was it was fun it caused

1257
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,400
people to think

1258
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,400
in new ways come up with new ideas and i

1259
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,000
remember and i think gene you actually

1260
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,440
wrote about this at one point in an

1261
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:36,960
article you said

1262
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,280
that you were surprised at how much luke

1263
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,599
conformed with the the feelings about

1264
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,240
the ufo phenomenon at the time uh the

1265
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,079
the this new

1266
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:47,920
in this new envisioning of the ufo

1267
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,119
phenomenon which was coming on about to

1268
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:54,079
do with with other dimensions

1269
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:55,440
uh

1270
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,400
yeah

1271
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,000
something other than something other

1272
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,240
than than hardcore nuts and bolts which

1273
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,920
is kind of what lou was known for at

1274
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:04,079
that point but i mean we the the

1275
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,680
conversation would go back and forth we

1276
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:07,920
discussed paraphysical things we

1277
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,720
discussed nuts and bolts ideas and it

1278
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,960
was it was just wonderful and i remember

1279
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,800
thinking at the time how lucky i was to

1280
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,800
have suddenly found myself

1281
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,240
in the midst of something like that i

1282
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,839
mean i was at the time i was nobody i

1283
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,119
hadn't even written more than maybe a

1284
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,720
couple of magazine articles which were

1285
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,480
pretty terrible thinking back on them

1286
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,000
and having reread some of them recently

1287
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:27,920
they were absolutely hard

1288
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,200
don't go back and read your stuff

1289
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,599
well i won't do that either but i should

1290
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,720
point out

1291
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:36,559
that that was one of the most

1292
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,040
engaging things about many of these ufo

1293
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,880
conferences to me as well

1294
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:42,319
the fact that you can kind of get

1295
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,839
together and talk shop and it wasn't

1296
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,520
just hanging out at the bar

1297
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,119
and getting blasted because i didn't do

1298
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,720
that okay

1299
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,280
but i realize other people would but

1300
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:53,280
sitting back and having these little

1301
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,040
sessions where you talk to your peers

1302
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,040
you try to assess what's going on you

1303
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,880
try to come up with ideas and

1304
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,240
suggestions

1305
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,960
and it was more than holding conferences

1306
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,319
as you do today and i think a lot of the

1307
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:08,720
conferences today are designed strictly

1308
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,119
for entertainment exactly for people

1309
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,200
exactly right we're gonna get into more

1310
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,440
of that as we get to our next segment if

1311
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:17,040
you have a comment or a question about

1312
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,040
the power cast write us news at the

1313
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1316
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1335
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1336
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1337
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1338
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1352
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:14,480
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00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,200
clark rick hillberg nancy talbot notice

1354
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:19,280
i am varying those names because i do

1355
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,800
not want to see

1356
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:23,040
anyone get first building except me and

1357
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,160
chris of course because we are

1358
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,880
egomaniacs we're colossal egomaniacs i

1359
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:29,200
wanted to make that clear right but

1360
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:30,559
anyway nancy we're going to say

1361
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:31,520
something

1362
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,880
after the comment from kurt about the

1363
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,559
way we'd engage

1364
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,800
in discussions of ufos then how it

1365
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,200
differs from some of these ufo

1366
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,040
conferences that are more entertainment

1367
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:45,280
than information just get all the whack

1368
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,960
jobs in one room doesn't matter what

1369
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,720
their point of view is whether those

1370
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,559
point of views have any authority but

1371
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,960
let's bring the people in yeah the the

1372
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:54,319
problem

1373
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,559
obviously it costs money to put these

1374
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:58,480
things on and

1375
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,520
in order to get the people in now most

1376
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,040
of the promoters are many of the

1377
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,960
promoters nowadays

1378
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,240
the bottom line is what they're

1379
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:08,160
interested in rather than the subject

1380
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,040
matter

1381
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:11,839
and so the conferences end up being

1382
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,319
uh i mean my impression of almost all

1383
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,000
the others where i've spoken is that oh

1384
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,640
my god this is just uh entertainment

1385
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:21,280
this is for it's a party it's nobody's

1386
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,400
interested

1387
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,960
in really thinking about these hard

1388
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,240
questions

1389
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:28,640
about you know what is it that is going

1390
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:29,440
on

1391
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,640
because i want to get into the

1392
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,119
nitty-gritty of the stuff that i know

1393
00:54:42,790 --> 00:54:39,119
and hear the nitty-gritty of what other

1394
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,800
people know but then i also think well

1395
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:44,720
as you know and you know it better than

1396
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:48,720
i there is still a very small number of

1397
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,040
us who know there's really something

1398
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,319
going on it's not a joke there really is

1399
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:56,880
the question of course is what is it and

1400
00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:59,920
sometimes i think that maybe these other

1401
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,400
conferences which are set up really more

1402
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:05,200
for entertainment maybe at least they

1403
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,559
are reaching some people

1404
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,880
and giving a little bit of a clue to new

1405
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,880
people you know that there is something

1406
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,359
here that's worthy of some real study i

1407
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,839
hope well i know one of the concerns

1408
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,920
i've had is that move fund which is

1409
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,920
supposedly this very serious scientific

1410
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:23,280
organization

1411
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,000
they've liberalized the agenda at their

1412
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,640
events so some of the more questionable

1413
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:30,960
viewpoints being presented and i have to

1414
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,960
look at mufon and i can understand it

1415
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,800
partly because consider this

1416
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,640
organization it's been there since the

1417
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:38,480
1960s

1418
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,160
and they only have 2700 members as of

1419
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:43,520
the beginning of this year they're

1420
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,960
making some big

1421
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,359
membership drive to increase the members

1422
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,359
and i have to think you're telling me

1423
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:51,200
with people around the world so much

1424
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,319
interest in ufos that one of the

1425
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:56,960
longest surviving organizations on the

1426
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,160
planet can only get 2 700 people to join

1427
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,640
up what's wrong with this picture well i

1428
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:05,119
think that the whole model of the ufo

1429
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,480
organization

1430
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,640
is probably becoming obsolete yet

1431
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:10,880
another victim of the internet i don't

1432
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,599
think that organizations perform the

1433
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,520
same function they used to for example

1434
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:17,359
you were talking about these the you

1435
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,880
know the conferences and the so on the

1436
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,319
social meetings

1437
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:24,720
internet discussion is really

1438
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,440
i think in the place of those things i

1439
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:29,760
think that it's replaced them and people

1440
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,079
can get their fix every day just going

1441
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:34,960
to the internet on ufo updates or some

1442
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:37,359
other discussion group i think that you

1443
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,119
know we've i agree that we've lost

1444
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,280
something there's no question that those

1445
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,359
kinds of personal connections those

1446
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:45,599
face-to-face conversations which for one

1447
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,240
thing are more likely to be polite if

1448
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,559
they're face to face than just dealing

1449
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,799
with someone anonymously on the internet

1450
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:54,640
but i'm afraid you'll

1451
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,520
fo organization i say that is somewhat

1452
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,119
deeply involved in the center for your

1453
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:01,119
philosophies for many years

1454
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:02,400
is really

1455
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:04,799
going the way of the dodo i agree with

1456
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,760
jerry on that yes the money part of it

1457
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:09,680
what a lot of people don't realize or

1458
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:12,160
they don't think about i guess uh is the

1459
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,760
amount of money it takes to do uh

1460
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:18,319
sophisticated scientific work it's it

1461
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,240
costs a lot of money and of course not

1462
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,319
everybody's got a lot of money and most

1463
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,799
of us interested uh

1464
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,440
don't have it and what i've discovered

1465
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,319
much to my horror is that the few

1466
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,799
people who have come on the scene who do

1467
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,079
have money

1468
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:38,720
and everybody's well aware of that

1469
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,760
unfortunately also turn out to be almost

1470
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:43,680
always control freaks

1471
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:46,160
which means they want their particular

1472
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:49,359
opinions or their ideas to be

1473
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,400
represented by whomever they fund i've

1474
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:54,720
had people come to me several times

1475
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,440
wanting me to do work for them in

1476
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:58,960
exchange for money

1477
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,280
the problem being that i am supposed to

1478
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,359
then come up with the kind of

1479
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,359
information they want to hear

1480
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,760
and i can't do that i mean i simply

1481
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:10,000
can't and so i can't take the money so

1482
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:11,359
nancy what you're saying and i think

1483
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,079
this is true maybe for other people too

1484
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:16,400
nancy are you saying that these

1485
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,920
individuals

1486
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:19,760
if i get this correctly they've they've

1487
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,319
already come to a conclusion about

1488
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:24,400
whatever phenomenon

1489
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,920
uh the nature of the phenomenon they

1490
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,440
want research and then they want you to

1491
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:29,040
provide research that fits their

1492
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:30,319
conclusion

1493
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:33,839
it appears to me that they have agendas

1494
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:36,400
which i'm not always sure what they are

1495
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:40,480
but for me the agenda is exactly what

1496
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,160
levin good and dr reynolds and dr ebro

1497
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:46,960
now what all these people

1498
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,480
say is that you follow the data

1499
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:52,880
and you have to go you have to deal with

1500
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,359
the data you can't throw out some of it

1501
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,119
just because you don't like it

1502
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:58,720
i mean if you're trying to come up with

1503
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:01,520
some overall explanation you've got to

1504
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:04,880
deal with wherever it takes you and my

1505
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:08,000
sense i know in fact in one case

1506
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:11,040
that the there was some agenda already

1507
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,480
existing

1508
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:15,200
and i was expected if i were to take

1509
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,400
that money

1510
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,200
to produce evidence that would back back

1511
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,920
it up nancy i'm going to have to ask the

1512
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,440
question because it's going to occur to

1513
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:25,599
everybody would you care to name some

1514
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:28,480
names here you know i think we've got

1515
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,520
enough

1516
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,839
bologna flying around

1517
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,440
amongst people

1518
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:36,240
seriously i don't see any benefit

1519
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:39,760
in uh causing more hurt feelings

1520
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,319
than i perceive to be running a rampant

1521
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:43,839
already

1522
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,079
anybody who's serious and is approached

1523
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:48,000
this way they very quickly figure it out

1524
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,960
for themselves they know you can tell

1525
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:53,040
and the general audience doesn't need to

1526
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:54,079
know because they're not going to be

1527
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,000
approached anyhow so i guess the other

1528
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,079
question we could all jump in and chime

1529
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,480
in here is how do we take

1530
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:02,720
and we'll make mufan the

1531
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,680
example or prototype of a classic ufo

1532
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:07,520
research organization

1533
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:10,720
how do we make that relevant in the 21st

1534
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,200
century and we can just go around robin

1535
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:15,440
here chris what do you think

1536
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,400
well i'll name names please

1537
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:20,400
one person i think that does kind of run

1538
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:23,760
counter to uh nancy's observation

1539
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:26,319
of uh you know the nature of money and

1540
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:27,839
control especially in the field of

1541
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,799
ufology there's one name that does uh

1542
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,000
kind of run counter that and that's

1543
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,040
lawrence rockefeller um i found to say i

1544
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,240
was gonna say rockefeller was not

1545
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,119
one of those people chris thank you

1546
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,119
yeah yeah lawrence was an exception to

1547
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:45,520
that rule but the joe firmages the

1548
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,400
robert bigelows the john rayos other

1549
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:50,160
people that over the years have gotten

1550
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:53,119
into the field um tend to be i think

1551
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:55,040
agenda driven and as nancy pointed out

1552
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,559
they're looking for people to come up

1553
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:58,079
with the kind of data and the quality of

1554
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,200
data that will somehow bolster their own

1555
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:03,680
preconceived ideas and and that's

1556
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:06,960
unfortunate because it does stifle uh

1557
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:09,920
you know the true spirit of field

1558
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,240
research and field investigation and the

1559
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,799
the analytical process that then follows

1560
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,359
uh the investigative work so so in

1561
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,280
summary here chris you're saying say

1562
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:21,440
robert bigelow and i don't know the guy

1563
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:23,839
okay i only know what i read about him

1564
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:27,200
that he says i think ufos whatever are

1565
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:30,160
thus and so so i will take my money and

1566
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,720
prove thus and so he's not interested in

1567
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,559
hearing something that doesn't meet with

1568
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,640
his expectations you know i think

1569
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:39,359
bigelow is kind of an uh a special case

1570
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:42,079
i think that he has a very closely held

1571
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,799
personal beliefs about this subject

1572
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:47,200
uh that relate to his his uh the passing

1573
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,160
of his son and also the

1574
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,160
obsession of trying to figure out the

1575
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:54,319
proposal propulsion diagnostics of these

1576
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,920
craft and i think

1577
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:57,680
that um he

1578
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:00,720
hires very good people uh and and has

1579
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,440
them staff his his investigative work

1580
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:05,280
but then he's very very closed off for

1581
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:08,240
any outside input and and they he

1582
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,920
his organization the national institute

1583
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:12,000
of discovery sciences which has now uh

1584
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,359
you know been defunct for a number of

1585
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:15,760
years i think they had blinders on a bit

1586
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,480
and were overly cautious about the kinds

1587
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,920
of cases that they were willing to

1588
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,319
investigate and you know of course as

1589
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:24,640
many of our listeners know he uh

1590
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,680
bought the

1591
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:28,079
infamous sherman ranch up in utah

1592
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,359
and for 15 16 17 years

1593
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,440
has has manned that ranch i'll tell you

1594
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,200
what we'll get into more of that in a

1595
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:37,680
moment with chris and jean you're in the

1596
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so here's what happened i was placing an

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telling us chris of course he bought the

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1699
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what's the rest of the story well a big

1701
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,920
curtain went down

1702
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:39,839
and his team up there world-class

1703
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:43,039
scientists for many years were doing

1704
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,480
you know what we would assume to be

1705
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:46,799
world-class science and yet except for

1706
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:48,480
the hunt for the skinwalker book which

1707
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:49,520
is filled with

1708
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,079
accuracies did not have any data in it

1709
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:54,160
photographs people weren't named on the

1710
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:55,200
record

1711
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,319
um it was more of a pr kind of scenario

1712
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:00,319
that was trying to placate interest and

1713
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:02,880
and give us all a bone basically so that

1714
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:05,280
we would not ask the deep tough probing

1715
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:06,799
scientific questions about what they

1716
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,240
were actually doing up there and what

1717
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:10,079
they were uncovering and it's the

1718
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:11,200
secrecy

1719
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:12,799
that surrounds bigelow that i think is

1720
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:14,559
the is the main issue i think he is

1721
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:17,279
fairly open-minded but

1722
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:18,560
you know again

1723
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,839
you know if you're gonna if you're gonna

1724
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:21,759
get involved in this game there's a lot

1725
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:23,920
of talent out there that i think should

1726
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:25,520
be tapped in in

1727
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,679
in my opinion has not been tapped now

1728
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,759
rick herbert you and i were involved in

1729
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:31,679
a number of ufo conferences over the

1730
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:32,719
years

1731
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,679
right originally was called the

1732
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:35,839
conference of scientific ufologists

1733
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:39,199
became the national ufo conference i

1734
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,120
sponsored it one year and lost some

1735
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:42,960
money i guess everybody loses money from

1736
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,679
these things so having been there having

1737
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,000
done that what do you think canon should

1738
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:50,239
be done to straighten this stuff out

1739
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,040
well

1740
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,199
regarding the question of how can

1741
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:56,080
organizations like mufon actually be

1742
01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:58,719
relevant in the 21st century

1743
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:00,880
i think part of the problem of not only

1744
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,239
mufon but a lot of the other individuals

1745
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,239
and other organizations

1746
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:07,920
is that they are

1747
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:10,640
basically operating from the viewpoint

1748
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:13,920
that ufos are proven as being real

1749
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,799
physical craft from elsewhere and quite

1750
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:18,799
frankly we just don't have that proof

1751
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:21,440
yet and this this may be part of the

1752
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,000
problem you know in my opinion i think

1753
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,480
objectivity is is maybe

1754
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,480
needed somewhat

1755
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,400
that it hasn't been but you're right

1756
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,480
some of those early ufo conferences you

1757
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:34,000
talk about the glitz and the

1758
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:35,359
entertainment

1759
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:37,759
that's going on in the guise of the

1760
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:40,719
conference these days in the early days

1761
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:43,359
the the whole thrust behind the congress

1762
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,640
of scientific ufologists was to exchange

1763
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:49,279
information and cooperate with other

1764
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,759
organizations and individuals the

1765
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:53,600
conferences that we had with public

1766
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,239
speakers it was all information the

1767
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:58,239
people would actually you know not talk

1768
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,960
about their encounters with the grays or

1769
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,560
whatever but they would just

1770
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,560
basically talk about you know what

1771
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,400
evidence they had and present that

1772
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:08,480
evidence you know another problem that

1773
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:10,880
we've all got and i have become much

1774
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,360
more informed much better informed about

1775
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,000
the whole ufo field because i've made my

1776
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:18,239
business to partly with the help of blue

1777
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,199
in this conference but i think one of

1778
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:23,520
the major problems we've all got

1779
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:27,199
is the growing amount of information

1780
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:30,480
indicates that the ufo situation

1781
01:10:35,709 --> 01:10:33,280
as well as the crop circles and many

1782
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:35,719
other anomalous phenomena are

1783
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,040
extraordinarily complex this is not a

1784
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,840
simple problem it's not something easy

1785
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:43,520
to understand

1786
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:44,400
and

1787
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:45,840
expecting

1788
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,640
people with very little funding

1789
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:51,280
and in many cases very little

1790
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:53,840
professional expertise of any sort

1791
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:56,640
to solve something that appears to me to

1792
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,360
be extraordinarily complex perhaps

1793
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,960
interdimensional perhaps

1794
01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:02,480
extraterrestrial

1795
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:05,199
perhaps directly related to

1796
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,280
human consciousness or

1797
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,840
young's collective unconscious there's

1798
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:12,400
so many ways to approach this now

1799
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:13,920
that

1800
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:16,800
expecting amateur groups

1801
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:18,560
with no help

1802
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,520
to

1803
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:22,080
uh answer all these questions it's a bit

1804
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:23,679
of a jump you know

1805
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:29,510
amount of money pumped into cancer

1806
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,480
research and we still have no answer to

1807
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,840
to that do we

1808
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:35,360
i think the amount of money they pump

1809
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:37,120
into cancer research

1810
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,719
in one week is more than we pump into

1811
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:43,440
ufo research over 10 years

1812
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:46,560
yeah probably brad sparks has estimated

1813
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,480
that six months total of actual funded

1814
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:52,719
scientific research

1815
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,280
on ufos has been done since the

1816
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,679
beginning of the ufo controversy in

1817
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,360
1947.

1818
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:01,679
he follows you spend a lot of time

1819
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:03,920
beating each other up as if it's their

1820
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:04,880
fault

1821
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,040
that they haven't made great progress in

1822
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,840
the subject when in fact they as nancy

1823
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:11,760
just said they lack the funding they

1824
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:14,320
lack the expertise they like the

1825
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:16,000
resources

1826
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:16,800
and

1827
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,560
complicated

1828
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:23,199
than then we can handle we just simply

1829
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:25,920
can't handle it i do however believe

1830
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:28,239
that if scientific resources were

1831
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:31,199
available and actual scientific research

1832
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:34,000
were done and funded and given to those

1833
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,800
with the proper expertise that there are

1834
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:39,600
at least aspects of the ufo phenomenon

1835
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:41,440
that we would understand a lot better

1836
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,880
than we do now

1837
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:44,400
i absolutely agree with you it's

1838
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:45,600
possible

1839
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:48,880
uh but it requires a certain structure

1840
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,000
as any acquiring any any profound

1841
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:54,080
knowledge that anything does and i think

1842
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,840
a lot of these people

1843
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:57,600
particularly the early people but some

1844
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:00,719
people today are they're doing fabulous

1845
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,480
stuff when you consider

1846
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,480
the limitations

1847
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:06,000
placed on them you know they have to

1848
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:07,600
earn a living they've got a family to

1849
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,000
take care of blah blah blah the dentist

1850
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:12,719
has to be paid and on top of that there

1851
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:16,560
are still people who are coming up with

1852
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:19,679
additional information uh the complexity

1853
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:22,239
of it my work is clearly showing

1854
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,280
that the ufo phenomenon whatever it

1855
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:27,120
actually represents

1856
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:30,080
may in fact represent multiple

1857
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:33,440
things not just one yes you know i agree

1858
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:35,199
with the last several no i totally agree

1859
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,040
also yeah i agree there's no

1860
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,360
one-size-fits-all answer that's for sure

1861
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:41,600
exactly i don't think so kurt you and i

1862
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:43,920
were involved in the preparations for

1863
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,760
one particular ufo conference we

1864
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:48,000
attended others what's your assessment

1865
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:49,600
about it are you on the par with the

1866
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,000
rest of the group here yeah i think so i

1867
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,239
believe that the ufo conference as we

1868
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:55,760
know it is pretty much a thing of the

1869
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,080
past if such a thing is going to be held

1870
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:00,320
it's going to be more for more in the

1871
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:02,880
sense of a gathering of old trends just

1872
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:04,960
to kind of sit down talk to one another

1873
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,800
kind of get reacquainted

1874
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,800
and maybe do some brainstorming that way

1875
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,880
but i don't think you're going to

1876
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,000
be able to

1877
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,880
put together a conference where genuine

1878
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:16,239
scientific

1879
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:18,080
information is going to be exchanged

1880
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:19,280
you're not going to be able to bring in

1881
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,800
the kind of people

1882
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,560
that would be able to impart that kind

1883
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,239
of knowledge i think as nancy said this

1884
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:27,120
whole thing is is incredibly complex

1885
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,280
and i think that if there's a if an

1886
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:31,280
answer is ever forthcoming as to the

1887
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,120
nature of the ufo phenomenon or a lot of

1888
01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:35,040
the other paranormal events that are

1889
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,679
occurring pretty much on a daily basis i

1890
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:39,360
think it's going to come

1891
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,000
as a as a side venue of something like

1892
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:43,920
quantum mechanics research into quantum

1893
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,320
mechanics and a little bit that i that i

1894
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:48,239
understand that and the research that's

1895
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:49,920
going on there what they're discovering

1896
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,920
more and more about the quantum realm it

1897
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,560
is incredibly complex just like the ufo

1898
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,159
phenomenon and there could very well be

1899
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:58,080
a connection but none of us here have

1900
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,000
that kind of expertise have that kind of

1901
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,480
intellectual know-how the people that do

1902
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:04,480
are pretty much sequestered away in

1903
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:07,120
universities or in research labs doing

1904
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:08,880
doing whatever pocket research they're

1905
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,520
doing basically trying to scratch out a

1906
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living in a small area and then maybe

1907
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hopefully collaborating with somebody

1908
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who'll be able to create a bigger

1909
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picture in some area and part of the

1910
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problem also occurred is the fact that

1911
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for most people in the ufo field there

1912
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is no way to make a living there's no

1913
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way to cover your expenses and survive

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we have jerry clark nancy talbot rick

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that's what it sounds like when a

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burglar kicks in the door of a dark

1975
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house that looks like no one is home

1976
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1977
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,000
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1978
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is a small electronic device that makes

1980
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,800
the same light as a real television so

1981
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:08,320
from outside it looks like someone is

1982
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,880
home watching tv fake tv plugs in just

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like a lamp on a timer but is far more

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burglars cost far less than an alarm and

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departments use it anytime you're away

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from home to order your fake tv for only

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f a k e tv or go to faketv.com

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what is the most abundant resource on

1998
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earth water it's essential for

1999
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sustaining life but it's not always the

2000
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most available when disaster strikes

2001
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,280
water quickly vanishes from store

2002
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shelves like it did during 911 katrina

2003
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water and your body begins to shut down

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don't risk being without an abundant

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2013
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risk your family's health on a limited

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2026
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this is hilly rose and i hope that you

2027
01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:59,760
do listen to the paracast because you

2028
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:02,080
will learn a great deal about the

2029
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:11,750
we're trying to reform ufo research

2030
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:13,520
or at least figure out what's going on

2031
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:16,320
and make it work better with i have i

2032
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:18,960
have an idea gene sure that's nancy

2033
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:20,719
talbott by the way we also have kurt

2034
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:23,440
sutherly jerry clark and rick hilberg

2035
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:25,920
nancy please i mean you guys are going

2036
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:28,159
to think i'm crazy but then you're

2037
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:30,320
joining the club we're all crazy here

2038
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:32,560
you're amongst we should all start

2039
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:35,760
buying lottery tickets

2040
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,400
and if one of us gets

2041
01:20:42,630 --> 01:20:40,800
then spread the money around amongst

2042
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:42,640
those who are

2043
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:45,440
approaching this subject from one point

2044
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:47,920
of view or another trying to include at

2045
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:50,400
least four or five different approaches

2046
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:52,719
i'd love to see that i would love to see

2047
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,040
that well you know you missed out on the

2048
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:57,760
350 million or something that was won

2049
01:21:01,990 --> 01:20:59,679
this past week

2050
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:02,000
somebody not far from you i don't think

2051
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:03,920
they were in rhode island

2052
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:06,080
oh really

2053
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:07,600
maybe i should take a trip to rhode

2054
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:08,640
island

2055
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,280
it doesn't matter what you just have to

2056
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,600
play it you have to be in it to win it

2057
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,080
is what the commercials say i bought a

2058
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:18,320
powerball lottery ticket the previous

2059
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:19,840
week when it was

2060
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,159
what 250 million or something like that

2061
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,719
i got one number right there's no hope

2062
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:26,480
for me

2063
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:28,480
i never bought a ticket but i'm thinking

2064
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:30,880
that maybe that's what we need to do

2065
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:33,120
and one of the things that i've learned

2066
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:36,560
that i'm certain of now uh i did have a

2067
01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:39,440
close encounter when i was a kid i think

2068
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,840
it was the summer i was 14. sure give us

2069
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,760
some details about it because you raised

2070
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:45,840
it we might as well probe it

2071
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:47,440
well just the point i'm trying to make

2072
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:50,480
here is that i had an experience in my

2073
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,239
face in daytime in the company of a

2074
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,719
number of other people before i had ever

2075
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:56,880
even heard of ufos

2076
01:22:01,669 --> 01:21:59,440
and because of that

2077
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:01,679
i know that there's something out there

2078
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,719
called ufos because it was right there

2079
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:07,360
uh i did join nycat way back then

2080
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,840
because it was the only thing i could

2081
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,800
find and

2082
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:12,880
tried to inform myself better about

2083
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:15,679
whatever in the heck this ufo thing was

2084
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:18,080
and i discovered after a while

2085
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,480
that you know all the nightcap was doing

2086
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:22,800
was reporting lots of other people

2087
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:25,360
having the same kinds of experiences

2088
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:28,159
but nobody really had any answers and so

2089
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,400
i lost interest in the subject not

2090
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:32,400
because i hadn't been intrigued by what

2091
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:35,280
happened but because i saw no way to

2092
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,560
actually

2093
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:38,880
learn anything and i went on and then

2094
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,880
you know had a life and did other things

2095
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:42,880
and it wasn't until this crop circle

2096
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:45,920
thing started and some of the work that

2097
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:47,840
we've been doing there which has been

2098
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:49,920
done with real scientists we've

2099
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,239
published a number of papers in the

2100
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,719
scientific literature we have new stuff

2101
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,880
that is being done right now

2102
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:58,800
and from this work

2103
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:01,679
what i'm seeing is

2104
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,440
that there is some kind of an overlap

2105
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:08,000
the ufo subject and i'm afraid that a

2106
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,960
lot of people in the ufo field

2107
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:13,120
absolutely do not want me to say these

2108
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:14,320
things they don't want to think about

2109
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:17,199
this or they just don't agree but what i

2110
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:20,239
see is that whatever it is that's going

2111
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,159
on in the ufo phenomena itself it in

2112
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,440
itself is multifaceted and furthermore

2113
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:29,760
there's an overlap with the crop circle

2114
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:32,960
situation with out of body experiences

2115
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,760
with remote viewing with poltergeist

2116
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:36,960
activity

2117
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:39,840
with all sorts of psychic you know and

2118
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:42,880
human consciousness studies i see all of

2119
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:45,600
this stuff having a definite inner

2120
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:48,400
relationship and have a feeling

2121
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,320
that physics and the study of

2122
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,800
consciousness are the two arenas which

2123
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:54,480
are most likely

2124
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:58,320
perhaps to get us some more reliable you

2125
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:01,520
know solid information about what all of

2126
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,840
these subjects represent nancy i want to

2127
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:05,600
ask you quickly about crop circles

2128
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,400
before we go on and that is the general

2129
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,239
perception on the part of a lot of

2130
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:12,159
people and a lot of people in the ufo

2131
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,239
field that crop circles are mostly

2132
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:16,960
eccentric artists working out in the

2133
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,600
farmland are you asking me if i think so

2134
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,440
no i'm asking you to comment on that

2135
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:22,800
well there are a lot of people in

2136
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:25,920
england in particular who find this

2137
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,880
very amusing or fun or whatever i don't

2138
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:30,719
know what they think but there are a lot

2139
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:32,960
of them that are made by people

2140
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:33,679
and

2141
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,400
they these guys to do it it's funny

2142
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,639
they hang out in the same pubs where all

2143
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:40,080
the tourists now go because there's

2144
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:41,760
quite a little business crop circle

2145
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:44,159
business going on in wheelchair england

2146
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:44,960
now

2147
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:46,960
and lots of tourists and tour groups and

2148
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:48,800
whatever and they of course go to the

2149
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:50,880
pubs at the end of the day

2150
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:53,280
and a lot of these guys that do the

2151
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,920
hoaxing go to the same pubs they listen

2152
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:57,600
to the conversations

2153
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:00,320
and whatever theme they currently hear

2154
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:02,639
being talked about a lot and right now

2155
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:05,360
it's the 2012 mayan thing you know then

2156
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:07,840
inspires them to create designs which

2157
01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:10,320
reflect precisely the opinions they've

2158
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:13,360
just heard the night before in the pubs

2159
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:15,360
and this is unfortunate because it

2160
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:17,120
muddies the water

2161
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:18,000
but

2162
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:21,360
the science clearly shows that some of

2163
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:23,520
these very elaborate

2164
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:26,239
very you know huge you know things are

2165
01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:29,040
as real as many of the very simple ones

2166
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:31,840
it's simply a fact some of them are

2167
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:34,400
genuine are not mechanically flattened

2168
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,360
and nor just for those people the mit

2169
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:39,600
types where i live who are constantly

2170
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:40,639
telling me

2171
01:25:43,709 --> 01:25:42,320
that these are

2172
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:43,719
military

2173
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:46,000
exercises or

2174
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:48,639
government people playing games with our

2175
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:52,080
heads by projecting microwave radiation

2176
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:53,040
from

2177
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:55,840
some platform some satellite there's

2178
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:58,159
absolutely no way to

2179
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:01,600
direct microwaves over those distances

2180
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:04,400
it cannot be done and if in fact there

2181
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:06,840
were huge platforms which would be

2182
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:10,000
required as a generator to produce these

2183
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:12,080
microwaves if they were hovering for

2184
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,520
instance at the

2185
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height the helicopter could

2186
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you would not only see them you'd hear

2187
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them

2188
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:20,840
and this is not the case there's a real

2189
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:24,000
phenomenon and it does seem to interact

2190
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:26,000
with or have something to do with the

2191
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:29,520
ufo phenomenon at least in some cases

2192
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:31,600
it also has something to do with human

2193
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:33,840
consciousness nancy in some cases you

2194
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:34,639
have

2195
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:37,280
spheres of light that are hovering or

2196
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:39,040
flying around the crops at circles that

2197
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:40,960
have been videotaped that's correct

2198
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:44,560
isn't it i saw one happen in holland

2199
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:46,480
in 2001

2200
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:49,679
right smack outside my bedroom in the

2201
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closest growing crop to my bed

2202
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,000
which involved three brilliant tubes of

2203
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,880
light that came crashing down from my

2204
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:00,480
vantage point they were about a foot

2205
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:02,400
foot and a half in diameter but

2206
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,760
perfectly tubular came screaming down

2207
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:07,679
from the sky scared the dickens out of

2208
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:10,800
me right and boom boom boom

2209
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:14,159
so fast and so powerful and so precise

2210
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:17,199
it made my hair stand up on end and i'm

2211
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,960
this guy that i work with in holland

2212
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,480
this young medium

2213
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:22,320
he has seen many many many of them

2214
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:23,280
happen

2215
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:25,840
and they have sometimes involved balls

2216
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:28,320
of light for years you know daytime and

2217
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,800
night by the way not just night time and

2218
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:33,040
sometimes they involve literally just

2219
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:35,199
flashes of light like flash cameras

2220
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:37,440
going off there have been a couple other

2221
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,000
incidents of these tubes of light

2222
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:42,560
seen not just by me or by robert the guy

2223
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:44,719
in holland but by other people in the

2224
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:48,400
fields so light phenomena is definitely

2225
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:51,760
associated with some crop circles but

2226
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,960
not all

2227
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:54,320
you know what the heck does this mean

2228
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:57,040
it's enough to drive you crazy

2229
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:58,400
well the plants themselves are being

2230
01:28:01,110 --> 01:28:00,159
affected in the molecular level are they

2231
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:01,120
not

2232
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:02,159
i mean

2233
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,040
people use that word molecular uh no

2234
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:07,199
cellular

2235
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:09,840
okay there are very clear changes there

2236
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,560
has been no dna work done

2237
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:14,400
one of the things that desperately needs

2238
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,880
to be done is dna analysis of the

2239
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,400
affected plants

2240
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:21,280
i'm wondering if there is uh if there

2241
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:23,840
are dna alterations we don't know this

2242
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:25,440
there are some reasons to think there

2243
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:27,600
may be but the work hasn't been done to

2244
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:30,080
prove it yet the changes which have been

2245
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:31,120
proven

2246
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,080
are on the cellular level they involve

2247
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:36,320
changes in the cell structure

2248
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:39,199
as well as in the growth habit

2249
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:41,760
the plants which have been affected in a

2250
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:43,600
genuine crop circle

2251
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:45,120
reproduce

2252
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:48,000
differently from normal plants

2253
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:50,080
very differently

2254
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:52,719
now that dna testing though is so

2255
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,880
relatively inexpensive

2256
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,400
isn't that something that could be done

2257
01:29:02,709 --> 01:28:58,560
now for a few hundred dollars

2258
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i don't know for sure but i put 450 000

2259
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into this and i'm tapped down so if

2260
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there's somebody out there who's got the

2261
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money to put into this dna research i

2262
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would be very careful to find exactly

2263
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the right people to do it and spend

2264
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every cent anybody gave me to do it

2265
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because i think it would be productive

2266
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you know it's productive talking with

2267
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2268
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2269
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2270
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and of course you're on with gene and

2271
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chris for one reason you're in the

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2310
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of taking heart and body extract my

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2376
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:04,639
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2377
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:06,560
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2378
01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:09,600
sutherly nancy talbot chris we had a few

2379
01:34:12,790 --> 01:34:11,520
questions in our forums when i announced

2380
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:12,800
this show

2381
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:14,400
and maybe one or two irrelevant here

2382
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,120
could you drop a few in i certainly can

2383
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:19,440
the first uh couple of questions comes

2384
01:34:25,590 --> 01:34:23,040
from sentry who is uh a fairly long

2385
01:34:27,669 --> 01:34:25,600
standing poster at the paracast forums

2386
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:27,679
he asked since lou was best known for

2387
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:29,120
his news clipping service here's a

2388
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,520
couple of news questions um i guess this

2389
01:34:35,590 --> 01:34:33,440
is directed at the group what are some

2390
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:35,600
examples of the best and worst media

2391
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,480
coverage of ufos and is the media's

2392
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:40,560
treatment of ufos any less accurate or

2393
01:34:44,709 --> 01:34:42,159
biased than their coverage of other

2394
01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:44,719
topics good questions anybody want to

2395
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:47,040
tackle that one i'm not a historian and

2396
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:48,400
i don't know but

2397
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:50,320
it seems that

2398
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:53,440
the coverage is much more expansive than

2399
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:54,880
it once was

2400
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:57,040
because the media responds to you know

2401
01:35:01,430 --> 01:34:59,440
whatever sells papers or whatever and

2402
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:01,440
there are lots of people interested the

2403
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:03,760
quality of the coverage however i'll

2404
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:05,920
leave to you guys to discuss you

2405
01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:08,320
obviously cannot get into any depth the

2406
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:11,440
the news media really can't uh you know

2407
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:12,320
the

2408
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:18,159
i'm not seeing too many you know

2409
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,040
newspapers running ufo items in depth

2410
01:35:26,709 --> 01:35:23,840
other than just retrospective things but

2411
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:26,719
it's really hard to go in depth and uh

2412
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:28,560
of course it's the there we get back to

2413
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:30,480
the entertainment factor and i think

2414
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,320
that's that's been our problem for you

2415
01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:34,880
know since the beginning of of the ufo

2416
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:37,840
era is it's it's news it's a gee whiz

2417
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,400
story it's a you know man bites uh dogs

2418
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:42,400
sort of thing and

2419
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:44,080
i don't think we're ever going to see

2420
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:46,480
any improvement well you have to look at

2421
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:48,480
the history of news media

2422
01:35:53,030 --> 01:35:50,639
in the early part of the 20th century

2423
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:53,040
this idea of objectivity

2424
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:55,440
in writing a new story came to the floor

2425
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:57,679
i spent an enormous amount of time

2426
01:36:02,310 --> 01:35:59,679
reading 19th century newspapers and

2427
01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:02,320
believe me it's not an experience like

2428
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:04,239
reading the newspapers that we grew up

2429
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:06,880
with so a newspaper story is supposed to

2430
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:09,040
you know give both sides of the issue

2431
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:12,000
and try to discern what truth is there

2432
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:14,560
but that is generally done but it's done

2433
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:15,679
on

2434
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:18,000
mainstream issues

2435
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:20,239
if it's a fringe issue and ufos are a

2436
01:36:24,629 --> 01:36:21,600
french issue

2437
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:24,639
you you take your chances and since ufos

2438
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,639
have never been respectable or at least

2439
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:28,800
not respectable for very long if they

2440
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:30,239
ever were

2441
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:32,480
newspapers tend to treat them

2442
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:35,199
in in joking fashion particularly elite

2443
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:37,760
papers like new york times washington

2444
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:38,880
post

2445
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:40,880
los angeles times also three leading

2446
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:42,639
papers in the country they have no time

2447
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:46,719
for ufos ufo stories are just a joke you

2448
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:49,040
get your best news coverage of ufo

2449
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,600
sightings actually in small local

2450
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:52,960
newspapers

2451
01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:54,080
exactly

2452
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:58,719
in here a second i was i was a reporter

2453
01:37:02,310 --> 01:37:00,560
at one of those small papers for over 10

2454
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:02,320
years i

2455
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,159
was i was fortunate enough to have a

2456
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:07,040
city editor named rob mcnamee who was a

2457
01:37:12,550 --> 01:37:09,360
big canadian he was a great guy

2458
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:12,560
he was extremely open-minded and when i

2459
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,800
came on board as a person as the night

2460
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:16,480
shift police reporter and then later as

2461
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:18,880
a day shift reporter anytime anything

2462
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:20,960
like this came up if there was a report

2463
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:23,440
of ufo activity or some other

2464
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:25,199
unusual activity such as for instance

2465
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:26,880
cougar sightings which are not supposed

2466
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:29,520
to occur i would approach mcnamee

2467
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:31,600
and he would say take off on it and he

2468
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:33,280
would treat it very seriously and a lot

2469
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:34,880
of times he would run the story front

2470
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:37,520
page because as jerry pointed out with

2471
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:39,520
the small papers there is a strong

2472
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:42,320
interest local the local community finds

2473
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:43,760
this sort of thing interesting often

2474
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:45,040
because

2475
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,199
they're directly involved in it

2476
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,280
the national media the so-called elite

2477
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,360
media they could care less

2478
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:53,440
it is treated as a joke and you're jerry

2479
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:55,040
you're absolutely right about that they

2480
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:55,920
don't

2481
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:58,320
want to deal with this subject because

2482
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,320
the people that fund these papers that

2483
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,400
are now in control of these papers have

2484
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:04,880
vested interests in the fringe

2485
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:07,600
fringe activities and fringe phenomena

2486
01:38:12,149 --> 01:38:10,000
are not part of that i mean my god even

2487
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:12,159
slant the politics of the nation

2488
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:13,440
to whatever way they suit they're not

2489
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:14,719
going to pay much attention to ufo

2490
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:17,520
phenomena can i pipe in here something

2491
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:20,080
too sure it also

2492
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:22,320
uh occurs to me

2493
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:25,760
i'm not a conspiracy nut and i pay i try

2494
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:28,080
to stay clear that as much as i can

2495
01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:29,679
however

2496
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:33,199
given what i think anyone who has paid

2497
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:36,000
any attention to let's say 911

2498
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:36,800
or

2499
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:40,639
recently

2500
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,600
is it possible that the owners of the

2501
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:45,199
print media

2502
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:47,600
have a vested interest in the general

2503
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:49,040
public

2504
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:50,480
not learning

2505
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:51,520
what it

2506
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:54,719
what may very well be

2507
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:56,719
these phenomena that we're working with

2508
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,520
and studying may represent an

2509
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,440
opportunity for

2510
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:03,440
humanity generally

2511
01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:08,080
to become much more aware and much more

2512
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:09,760
effective

2513
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:12,639
in running their our own lives

2514
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:15,600
if we were to become better informed

2515
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,239
about what is actually going on and i

2516
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:20,239
have wondered if the people who control

2517
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:21,679
the media

2518
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:24,000
don't on some level either know about

2519
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:26,880
that or suspected and that that could be

2520
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:29,920
playing a role in why it is so hard to

2521
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:31,840
get simple facts out

2522
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:33,840
simple fact without any particular

2523
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:36,639
theory attached to them just a fact i

2524
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:38,560
don't think that's the case no i think

2525
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:41,119
that the attitudes expressed in elite

2526
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:43,600
media are pretty much characteristic

2527
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:46,400
of the attitudes toward these phenomena

2528
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:48,960
in those kinds of social and economic

2529
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:50,000
circles

2530
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:52,400
uh but the late bud hopkins was a good

2531
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:54,239
friend of mine what a really wonderful

2532
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:56,480
memoir toward the end of his life

2533
01:40:00,550 --> 01:39:58,480
describing his interaction with the

2534
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:00,560
people that he knew

2535
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:02,719
including the elites of the culture at

2536
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:05,679
least as the ones on the east coast

2537
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:09,199
and but found just incredible widespread

2538
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:12,320
skepticism of ufos and completely

2539
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:14,400
dismissive attitudes i don't think

2540
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:16,159
there's any conspiratorial thinking

2541
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:18,320
going on i think that it's just a

2542
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:21,280
general contempt for maybe an obsession

2543
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:23,440
of the lower classes

2544
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:26,159
and a firm belief that these are just

2545
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:28,880
for silly and superstitious

2546
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:31,440
so basically it's the arrogance of the

2547
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:32,560
elite

2548
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:33,840
uh

2549
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:36,159
running what what goes on here rather

2550
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,480
than any any deliberate

2551
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:41,040
attempt to maintain control

2552
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:42,880
at a pure level i also think it's just

2553
01:40:46,149 --> 01:40:44,239
profit and loss

2554
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:46,159
if they're selling papers if they're

2555
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:48,480
getting ratings for the tv shows and

2556
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:50,000
they're selling advertising and they're

2557
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,480
making money they're happy with anything

2558
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:54,880
you give them just like for example at

2559
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:57,440
one time say it over at cbs news for

2560
01:41:02,470 --> 01:41:00,159
example the news division was part of

2561
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:02,480
something in and of itself didn't have

2562
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:05,440
to earn a profit for the company it was

2563
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:06,960
walled off

2564
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:10,080
a separate entity and now of course it's

2565
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:12,080
part of the entertainment division yeah

2566
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:14,800
the news doesn't deliver the ratings and

2567
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:16,880
doesn't deliver the advertising revenues

2568
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:20,000
goodbye some years ago back in the early

2569
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:22,800
part of this the last decade i was

2570
01:41:29,109 --> 01:41:26,400
invited to appear on an abc news show

2571
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:29,119
not abc entertainment you're looking at

2572
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,320
the ufo phenomenon and it came about and

2573
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:34,560
the only reason i agreed to appear on it

2574
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:35,840
was that

2575
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:38,080
peter jennings the late peter jennings

2576
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:41,199
had gotten quite intrigued by ufos and

2577
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:44,080
somehow my encyclopedia had falled

2578
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:47,119
fallen into his hands right and he was

2579
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:49,840
he was insistent that i'd be on the show

2580
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:51,360
and it took some persuading because i

2581
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:52,960
don't really like his television much

2582
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:56,560
anymore but um so i went on the show

2583
01:41:59,910 --> 01:41:58,560
and uh and i thought on the whole i mean

2584
01:42:01,910 --> 01:41:59,920
it wasn't perfect but on the whole it

2585
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:01,920
was a remarkably

2586
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:03,600
open-minded presentation of the

2587
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:06,320
phenomenon coming from the news division

2588
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:08,960
of a broadcast television network

2589
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:11,840
a few days later after it aired

2590
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,480
there was this sulfurous

2591
01:42:18,709 --> 01:42:16,560
piece by frank rich in the new york

2592
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:18,719
times i've always been a fan of frank

2593
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:20,639
rich always enjoyed reading his column

2594
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:21,840
in the times

2595
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:25,679
but he just went berserk that anybody

2596
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:29,119
like jenny's could presume to put such

2597
01:42:34,229 --> 01:42:31,360
complete nonsense

2598
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:34,239
on television he went on and on and on

2599
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:36,239
and it was just this

2600
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:38,960
bizarre he didn't try to deal with any

2601
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,080
specific

2602
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:42,960
claim or bit of evidence that that

2603
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,159
jennings had presented he just didn't

2604
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:48,880
like the idea that

2605
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:50,800
sympathetic attention would be given to

2606
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:52,800
your foes

2607
01:42:57,430 --> 01:42:54,400
very typical

2608
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:57,440
why jerry why do you think his response

2609
01:43:01,870 --> 01:42:58,960
was like that

2610
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:01,880
because there is a firm in in

2611
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:04,560
impenetrable convictions in those

2612
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:05,679
circles

2613
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:08,159
that these things are ridiculous they're

2614
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:09,679
nonsense

2615
01:43:12,790 --> 01:43:10,560
and

2616
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:12,800
all the people that they talk with

2617
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:14,239
tell them that including their

2618
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:15,920
scientists friends

2619
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:18,960
and it's just outrageous that people in

2620
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:21,360
lower orders keep insisting that strange

2621
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:24,320
things do indeed happen it really is

2622
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:27,360
fundamentally irrational if it if it

2623
01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:29,600
weren't irrational the only alternative

2624
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:32,159
would be conspiratorial but i think to

2625
01:43:36,830 --> 01:43:33,840
confuse them of being involved in a

2626
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:36,840
conspiracy is to give them too much

2627
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:39,600
credit my personal encounters with the

2628
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:40,800
media

2629
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:43,119
uh i'm thinking of this god-awful

2630
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:45,199
national geographic bunch

2631
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:48,400
i mean they have been given facts enough

2632
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:50,880
facts to sink a damn battleship and i

2633
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:52,719
see you know i know i won't do it

2634
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:56,719
anymore but i see what they end up using

2635
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:58,320
and

2636
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:59,119
uh

2637
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,800
it's so hard for me

2638
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:02,880
with things like nova or national

2639
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:05,360
geographic some of these more so-called

2640
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:07,199
reputable outlets

2641
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:08,480
when i see

2642
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:11,520
what they are deliberately leaving out

2643
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:13,040
i'll tell you what we can't leave this

2644
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:15,119
out okay we can't leave this out nancy

2645
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:17,679
we have nancy talbot we have jerry clark

2646
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:19,520
we have kurt sutherly and rick hillberg

2647
01:44:25,370 --> 01:44:21,520
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2648
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2666
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2667
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:11,920
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2668
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:13,920
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2669
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2670
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:18,080
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2671
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:19,920
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2672
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,400
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2673
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2676
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2678
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2679
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2680
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2681
01:45:57,669 --> 01:45:52,080
and now

2682
01:46:02,310 --> 01:45:59,510
with gene with chris

2683
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:02,320
we started of course honoring the life

2684
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:04,960
and times of lucius farish and in that

2685
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:07,679
tradition covering the state of the art

2686
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,239
in terms of ufo research with nancy

2687
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:13,440
talbot rick hillberg jerry clark kurt

2688
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:15,600
sutherly and something here of course to

2689
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:18,960
throw out also is the fact that

2690
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:22,880
so long as there's no public clamoring

2691
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:24,880
for this it's not going to change they

2692
01:46:30,629 --> 01:46:28,480
look at reports about ufos on those

2693
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:30,639
special channels nova national

2694
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:32,639
geographic history channel is

2695
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:35,360
entertainment and without criticizing

2696
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:37,199
the specific participants look at the

2697
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,480
ufo hunters tv show everything there was

2698
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:42,800
oriented towards providing an

2699
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:44,400
entertaining experience they didn't get

2700
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:46,639
the ratings they cancelled it right

2701
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:49,360
it's basically tabloid tv tabloid

2702
01:46:53,830 --> 01:46:51,440
journalism on tv that's what it's come

2703
01:46:56,550 --> 01:46:53,840
to either you have national geographic

2704
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:56,560
or uh you know nova who is totally

2705
01:47:01,350 --> 01:46:59,040
skeptical of the whole business or you

2706
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:01,360
have you know some of the other tabloid

2707
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:03,360
tv programs that you just you know

2708
01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:05,600
mentioned about ufos or for that matter

2709
01:47:09,189 --> 01:47:07,199
there's several about the you know the

2710
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:09,199
bigfoot phenomena that's on now that is

2711
01:47:15,030 --> 01:47:11,920
just totally wacky well thank god for

2712
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:15,040
people like lou farrish who provided an

2713
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:16,560
opportunity

2714
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:17,600
for

2715
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:19,199
a lot of people

2716
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:22,239
to hear some facts i i'm looking at this

2717
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:24,000
photograph right now sitting on the

2718
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:25,520
porch with jerry

2719
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:28,320
at this nursing home uh where he died

2720
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:29,920
we're talking about jerry blackburn a

2721
01:47:33,430 --> 01:47:32,400
long time jerry blackburn yes sure i'm

2722
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:33,440
thinking

2723
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:36,639
i know how much effort lou put into

2724
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:39,840
keeping this alive for those of us

2725
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:42,320
who do think it's worth pursuing

2726
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:44,960
thank you dear lou and nancy one thing

2727
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:48,000
that i think needs to be mentioned is i

2728
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:50,480
seem to recall reading um a notice of

2729
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:52,960
lou's passing and the author mentioned

2730
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:55,840
that he had left his estate in land for

2731
01:48:01,830 --> 01:47:59,280
ufo research which is which i find is is

2732
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:01,840
is the ultimate testament of a man's of

2733
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:04,480
a man's real fascination and

2734
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,480
his courage to be involved in a subject

2735
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:08,960
to the extent of he even bequeaths his

2736
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:09,840
his

2737
01:48:17,109 --> 01:48:13,920
ufo research and that is a real

2738
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:17,119
testament to a man's dedication it is he

2739
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:18,560
also

2740
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:21,440
i mean he had a mammoth library a

2741
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:23,360
mammoth library

2742
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:27,440
and uh i think a lot of it has gone to

2743
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,159
dave marler who is categorizing and

2744
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:32,880
cataloging this will be made available

2745
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,159
to the public you know for research

2746
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:38,239
which is great because lou has stuff

2747
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:40,480
that very few other people nowadays

2748
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,400
would have you know just hitting with

2749
01:48:46,070 --> 01:48:44,400
one idea here it came to me

2750
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:46,080
obviously he's going to have an estate

2751
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:47,840
where he can give grants but at least

2752
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:49,360
his friends can

2753
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:50,960
give grants to

2754
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,800
ufo research but maybe set up a museum

2755
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,400
you know it might be an out of the way

2756
01:49:02,149 --> 01:48:58,320
place i mean where he lived plumberville

2757
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,159
arkansas had a population of 854 as of

2758
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:04,560
2000.

2759
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:05,280
but

2760
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:07,040
you know what i'm thinking of here

2761
01:49:12,310 --> 01:49:10,159
but they had a post office that's right

2762
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:12,320
not anymore this year you'll be lucky if

2763
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,639
any city has a post office and lou is a

2764
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:16,960
part-time employee at the post office

2765
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:19,840
well he was for years but i i'm sure

2766
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:22,480
that a lot of that material will be made

2767
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:24,159
available to the general public for

2768
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:27,199
research and to those of us who want to

2769
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,560
access it

2770
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:30,080
one way or the other

2771
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,000
i'm thinking here i have a list that i

2772
01:49:35,590 --> 01:49:34,400
made of over the years the people that

2773
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:35,600
lou

2774
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:37,040
brought to

2775
01:49:40,709 --> 01:49:38,639
the conference

2776
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:40,719
uh

2777
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:42,880
tim goode from england was there an

2778
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:44,560
awful lot of the time

2779
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:46,560
uh people like wendell stevens and

2780
01:49:51,590 --> 01:49:49,119
forrest crawford and ted phillips

2781
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:51,600
uh carla turner grant cameron vince

2782
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:55,119
white joe louis dolores cannon paul von

2783
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:58,880
ward bob pratt jim mars antonio helenis

2784
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:00,880
joanne scarpellini one of my field

2785
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:03,920
workers went to every single one of the

2786
01:50:07,590 --> 01:50:05,199
conferences

2787
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:07,600
and she also went to the memorial

2788
01:50:11,590 --> 01:50:08,639
service

2789
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:11,600
and said that the people

2790
01:50:15,590 --> 01:50:13,199
at the service

2791
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:15,600
were made aware because many of us had

2792
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:16,800
written in

2793
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:19,520
our thoughts and our feelings about lou

2794
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:21,920
and the local people because he was such

2795
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:23,760
a modest person

2796
01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:26,719
they were almost entirely unaware of

2797
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,600
what a difference lou's work had made

2798
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,679
they had this entire other life that

2799
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:33,360
they were yeah

2800
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:35,520
and now they're aware of it and they

2801
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:39,520
take uh some pride in their friends who

2802
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:42,320
most of them still called red because he

2803
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:45,280
had real red hair when he was younger

2804
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:48,080
and i i i'm glad that

2805
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:50,080
people will remember lou

2806
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:53,280
and others like him who

2807
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:56,080
who his intelligence his thoughtfulness

2808
01:51:02,310 --> 01:50:59,119
his interest in it was not for his own

2809
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:02,320
personal gain he kept the price at that

2810
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:04,320
conference very low

2811
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:06,320
in order for the largest number of

2812
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,199
people

2813
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,440
possible to be able to afford to come

2814
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:11,360
compare that with some conferences i'm

2815
01:51:15,270 --> 01:51:13,199
not going to name any that they think

2816
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:15,280
it's disneyland where they charge you an

2817
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:17,280
arm a leg and a foot chris you have some

2818
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:18,560
more questions

2819
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:20,159
i have another question from century

2820
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,080
this one is for rick

2821
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:24,719
how many paper ufo zines are around

2822
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:26,800
these days and what do they offer that

2823
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:27,679
you think

2824
01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:30,320
you can't find online

2825
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:32,239
well there are very few around that's a

2826
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:33,760
very good question as a matter of fact i

2827
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:36,239
was just i just was emailing a friend of

2828
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:39,119
mine today who who does publishing

2829
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:40,719
uh sort of an offbeat scene not

2830
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:42,880
necessarily on ufos and i said that you

2831
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:45,199
can literally count the number of print

2832
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,520
zines on one hand and that's that's

2833
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:49,440
about what it's come to

2834
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:52,080
i think that the real

2835
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:53,199
benefit

2836
01:51:59,510 --> 01:51:56,800
in the print scenes are that basically

2837
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:59,520
the old-timers are you know still

2838
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:00,800
editing them

2839
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:03,679
uh all the newcomers it seems have gone

2840
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:05,440
over to the internet and that's where

2841
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:07,119
they've set up their domain and that's

2842
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:08,080
where they

2843
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,119
do their research and um you know share

2844
01:52:15,910 --> 01:52:13,440
their information but there are still

2845
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:15,920
some some older folks out there who do

2846
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:18,639
not have internet access and who do rely

2847
01:52:21,430 --> 01:52:20,000
on these few

2848
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:21,440
ufo scenes

2849
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:24,320
and i think the benefit is as i said

2850
01:52:29,669 --> 01:52:26,639
that the the editors are basically

2851
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:29,679
old-timers old heads and that they have

2852
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:31,440
a certain sense

2853
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:33,599
of what is significant

2854
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:34,880
um

2855
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:36,719
you know regarding reports or or

2856
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:39,119
whatever i mean there are so many people

2857
01:52:43,990 --> 01:52:41,840
that that that write in anonymously in

2858
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:44,000
the internet and they you know come up

2859
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:45,920
with you know whatever stories or

2860
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:47,599
sightings or encounters that they think

2861
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:48,719
they've had

2862
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:50,159
and um

2863
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:52,239
a lot of times

2864
01:52:57,510 --> 01:52:55,360
what they are saying doesn't always jive

2865
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:57,520
what with uh you know what has happened

2866
01:53:02,149 --> 01:52:59,920
in the past and someone who you know

2867
01:53:05,109 --> 01:53:02,159
deals on this consistently can kind of

2868
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:05,119
uh get get a sense of what's what's real

2869
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:08,239
or what's significant a perspective rick

2870
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:11,280
yeah yeah perspective yeah one thing the

2871
01:53:15,830 --> 01:53:14,480
print publications have is an editorial

2872
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:15,840
hand

2873
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:18,239
which is sorely missing on the internet

2874
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:19,679
the internet the

2875
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:22,320
publications that have a good editor at

2876
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:25,360
the helm are much more valuable and so

2877
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:27,360
much of the burbling you get on the

2878
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:28,880
internet

2879
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:32,400
i wanted to ask jerry exactly where

2880
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:34,000
one does go

2881
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:36,080
for someone like me who is not an expert

2882
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:38,960
in the ufo field what should i read or

2883
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:41,119
make it my business to see

2884
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:43,920
to be informed intelligently

2885
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:45,840
so that i don't have to wade through so

2886
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:47,280
much crap

2887
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:51,199
well um you mean in terms of periodicals

2888
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:54,080
either that or on the any whatever is

2889
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:56,000
out there that is worth paying attention

2890
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:58,960
to i'd love to be told what to do

2891
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:01,360
i've been uh i'm working on the forward

2892
01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:03,760
to a book that will be coming out

2893
01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:06,080
um sometime in the next few months it's

2894
01:54:09,589 --> 01:54:08,880
called your fulls in government and it

2895
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:09,599
is

2896
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:11,760
really it's almost like a textbook on

2897
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:14,719
the subject where real authorities and

2898
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:15,920
thinkers

2899
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:16,800
have

2900
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:18,080
put down

2901
01:54:22,709 --> 01:54:20,000
a real history

2902
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:22,719
of how ufos and governments have

2903
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,360
interacted it's not conspiracy theory

2904
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:27,920
it's not speculative it's stuff that can

2905
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:30,880
be drawn from a meticulous study of

2906
01:54:36,629 --> 01:54:33,440
available documents supplemented by

2907
01:54:39,910 --> 01:54:36,639
interviews and and other materials

2908
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:39,920
there are still good books coming out as

2909
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:42,000
always they're a minority most the books

2910
01:54:47,189 --> 01:54:44,400
are garbage but there are still there's

2911
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:47,199
still real scholarship going on

2912
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:50,239
in in this field and most of it isn't

2913
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:52,480
really appearing online that i can see i

2914
01:54:57,589 --> 01:54:54,880
mean you can use the you know the

2915
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:57,599
internet information obviously we all do

2916
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:58,400
but

2917
01:55:03,910 --> 01:55:01,119
the real lasting stuff is still stuff

2918
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:03,920
just published the old-fashioned way

2919
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:06,159
and a publication that just everybody

2920
01:55:10,149 --> 01:55:07,920
ought to read well one of them is

2921
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international ufo reporter which cool

2922
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2925
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2926
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3031
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3036
02:00:09,910 --> 02:00:05,599
theparacast.com

3037
02:00:13,910 --> 02:00:11,510
with jean and chris

3038
02:00:16,950 --> 02:00:13,920
and jerry clark rick hillberg kurt

3039
02:00:18,229 --> 02:00:16,960
sutherly nancy talbot competing to be

3040
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:18,239
the one who gets

3041
02:00:20,870 --> 02:00:19,679
top billing but we're not going to let

3042
02:00:23,270 --> 02:00:20,880
that happen they all deserve top

3043
02:00:24,470 --> 02:00:23,280
building so you mentioned kufos for

3044
02:00:26,149 --> 02:00:24,480
those

3045
02:00:27,430 --> 02:00:26,159
in our listening audience who have no

3046
02:00:30,070 --> 02:00:27,440
idea what you're talking about jerry

3047
02:00:32,310 --> 02:00:30,080
clark explain what it's all about kufos

3048
02:00:35,750 --> 02:00:32,320
is the center for ufo studies which was

3049
02:00:37,350 --> 02:00:35,760
established about 1976 by the late jay

3050
02:00:39,030 --> 02:00:37,360
allen heineck

3051
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:39,040
who was the

3052
02:00:43,669 --> 02:00:41,040
project blue book astronomer who later

3053
02:00:45,990 --> 02:00:43,679
became ufo proponent and whose most

3054
02:00:48,470 --> 02:00:46,000
lasting contribution to popular culture

3055
02:00:50,229 --> 02:00:48,480
is inventing the face close encounters

3056
02:00:52,310 --> 02:00:50,239
of third kind

3057
02:00:54,310 --> 02:00:52,320
of being in the film close encounters of

3058
02:00:56,470 --> 02:00:54,320
the third kind towards the end of the

3059
02:00:57,750 --> 02:00:56,480
film you see him for about four seconds

3060
02:00:58,629 --> 02:00:57,760
right right

3061
02:01:02,470 --> 02:00:58,639
anyway

3062
02:01:04,149 --> 02:01:02,480
he died in 1986 but he organized this

3063
02:01:06,629 --> 02:01:04,159
group hoping to

3064
02:01:08,870 --> 02:01:06,639
bring the best scientific and other

3065
02:01:09,750 --> 02:01:08,880
minds into the field

3066
02:01:11,830 --> 02:01:09,760
and

3067
02:01:14,229 --> 02:01:11,840
the kuvos has published for years a

3068
02:01:17,030 --> 02:01:14,239
periodic referee journal called journal

3069
02:01:18,550 --> 02:01:17,040
via full studies it publishes a magazine

3070
02:01:20,870 --> 02:01:18,560
of which i am an editor called

3071
02:01:23,030 --> 02:01:20,880
international ufo reporter

3072
02:01:26,310 --> 02:01:23,040
it it's currently directed by mark

3073
02:01:28,709 --> 02:01:26,320
rodicker and headquartered in chicago

3074
02:01:31,109 --> 02:01:28,719
like all uf organizations you know it's

3075
02:01:33,430 --> 02:01:31,119
gone through hard times the money is

3076
02:01:35,830 --> 02:01:33,440
hard to come by and publication is only

3077
02:01:38,229 --> 02:01:35,840
occasional but when the issues of the

3078
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:38,239
iur or international flow report come

3079
02:01:41,990 --> 02:01:40,080
out they're well worth reading cover to

3080
02:01:45,189 --> 02:01:42,000
cover which isn't something you can save

3081
02:01:47,430 --> 02:01:45,199
a lot of ufo publications and so kufos

3082
02:01:49,990 --> 02:01:47,440
you know struggles on and and does the

3083
02:01:51,990 --> 02:01:50,000
good fight on the shoestring like like

3084
02:01:54,470 --> 02:01:52,000
all the ufologists and anomalies

3085
02:01:56,709 --> 02:01:54,480
fighting the good fight thank you jerry

3086
02:01:58,470 --> 02:01:56,719
can i say one more thing about lou that

3087
02:02:00,629 --> 02:01:58,480
i think it's really important and this

3088
02:02:01,510 --> 02:02:00,639
is how he affected me personally the

3089
02:02:04,149 --> 02:02:01,520
most

3090
02:02:07,270 --> 02:02:04,159
new was the first guy that i know was

3091
02:02:09,830 --> 02:02:07,280
actually doing historical ufo research

3092
02:02:12,229 --> 02:02:09,840
in the mid-1960s he started looking

3093
02:02:15,669 --> 02:02:12,239
through old arkansas newspapers for

3094
02:02:19,030 --> 02:02:15,679
accounts of the 1897 airship he inspired

3095
02:02:21,750 --> 02:02:19,040
me to do that and now in the last

3096
02:02:24,470 --> 02:02:21,760
10 or more years of my life

3097
02:02:26,950 --> 02:02:24,480
that's practically all i'm doing is

3098
02:02:29,910 --> 02:02:26,960
researching the historical floriana from

3099
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:29,920
the 19th century the early 20th century

3100
02:02:36,070 --> 02:02:33,679
in 2005 i published a book dealing with

3101
02:02:38,149 --> 02:02:36,080
the historical research that i had done

3102
02:02:40,950 --> 02:02:38,159
until then the title of the book is

3103
02:02:42,310 --> 02:02:40,960
unnatural phenomena and this is the

3104
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:42,320
dedication

3105
02:02:48,310 --> 02:02:45,280
to lucius ferris old friend and fellow

3106
02:02:49,910 --> 02:02:48,320
traveler on the unnatural landscape and

3107
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:49,920
that is how

3108
02:02:53,030 --> 02:02:51,840
aside from the pleasure of knowing a

3109
02:02:55,750 --> 02:02:53,040
good man

3110
02:02:57,270 --> 02:02:55,760
lou affected my life the most by turning

3111
02:03:01,109 --> 02:02:57,280
me on to the

3112
02:03:04,390 --> 02:03:01,119
fascination of pre-1940

3113
02:03:06,790 --> 02:03:04,400
burial and other anomalous phenomena

3114
02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:06,800
lou was uh as jerry just said he was

3115
02:03:11,189 --> 02:03:09,360
interested in aerial and other anomalous

3116
02:03:12,629 --> 02:03:11,199
phenomena and i think that's something

3117
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:12,639
we've kind of missed here that we've

3118
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:14,800
been referring to him primarily as a

3119
02:03:18,790 --> 02:03:16,719
ufologist and i think gene used the

3120
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:18,800
phrase the rock of ufology at the

3121
02:03:22,790 --> 02:03:21,040
beginning of the broadcast which was a

3122
02:03:24,310 --> 02:03:22,800
term that that luke kind of inherited

3123
02:03:26,310 --> 02:03:24,320
and it suited him

3124
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:26,320
but he was

3125
02:03:29,830 --> 02:03:27,280
really

3126
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:29,840
uh involved or not i shouldn't say

3127
02:03:33,109 --> 02:03:31,360
involved but really interested and

3128
02:03:35,109 --> 02:03:33,119
excited about various types of

3129
02:03:38,310 --> 02:03:35,119
unexplained phenomena cryptozoological

3130
02:03:39,830 --> 02:03:38,320
phenomena you name it yes if it had if

3131
02:03:42,790 --> 02:03:39,840
it fell outside

3132
02:03:45,589 --> 02:03:42,800
the the norm in so far as science lou

3133
02:03:48,470 --> 02:03:45,599
was drawn to it as we were all of us yes

3134
02:03:49,510 --> 02:03:48,480
he was he had a wise uh wide range of

3135
02:03:50,709 --> 02:03:49,520
interests

3136
02:03:52,470 --> 02:03:50,719
i think part of the problem in

3137
02:03:55,030 --> 02:03:52,480
recognizing someone like him today is

3138
02:03:57,189 --> 02:03:55,040
there's no book he didn't write the book

3139
02:03:59,030 --> 02:03:57,199
of everything he did he just collected

3140
02:04:01,109 --> 02:03:59,040
information and sent it out to people

3141
02:04:03,270 --> 02:04:01,119
well yeah that was it that's it gene i

3142
02:04:05,510 --> 02:04:03,280
mean i i recall even from the early days

3143
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:05,520
back in the early 60s lou would

3144
02:04:09,830 --> 02:04:07,760
constantly be sending out you know one

3145
02:04:12,390 --> 02:04:09,840
or two page

3146
02:04:15,189 --> 02:04:12,400
on cases he'd run across or maybe even

3147
02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:15,199
you know investigated himself or if not

3148
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:17,440
he he would get all the various details

3149
02:04:21,109 --> 02:04:19,280
from the newspapers or news media or

3150
02:04:22,550 --> 02:04:21,119
whatever and pass it along to other

3151
02:04:24,870 --> 02:04:22,560
researchers long before he had the

3152
02:04:26,229 --> 02:04:24,880
clipping service i mean lou did this his

3153
02:04:28,070 --> 02:04:26,239
entire life

3154
02:04:31,589 --> 02:04:28,080
you know he uh he wrote a lot of shorts

3155
02:04:34,629 --> 02:04:31,599
for the for early early fate uh back in

3156
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:34,639
the late 60s early 70s almost every

3157
02:04:38,229 --> 02:04:36,560
issue there was a short item that would

3158
02:04:40,149 --> 02:04:38,239
appear under the byline of lucious

3159
02:04:41,589 --> 02:04:40,159
ferris and i have one right here i

3160
02:04:43,189 --> 02:04:41,599
mentioned this to gene at the beginning

3161
02:04:45,910 --> 02:04:43,199
and if gene if you don't mind i could

3162
02:04:48,229 --> 02:04:45,920
read this it's not very long be my guest

3163
02:04:50,790 --> 02:04:48,239
okay it's uh the title is crickets by

3164
02:04:52,550 --> 02:04:50,800
gemini by lucious farish the deadline is

3165
02:04:55,109 --> 02:04:52,560
newport arkansas

3166
02:04:57,669 --> 02:04:55,119
already notorious for sightings in 1971

3167
02:05:01,030 --> 02:04:57,679
and 1972 of arkansas's white river

3168
02:05:02,550 --> 02:05:01,040
monster has a more recent claim to fame

3169
02:05:06,070 --> 02:05:02,560
beginning in the night of september

3170
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:06,080
september 27 1972 estimated millions of

3171
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:07,840
crickets invaded the town covering

3172
02:05:11,589 --> 02:05:09,840
streets sidewalks and the sides of

3173
02:05:13,270 --> 02:05:11,599
buildings the chirping visitors were

3174
02:05:14,229 --> 02:05:13,280
camel brown in color and about an inch

3175
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:14,239
long

3176
02:05:18,229 --> 02:05:16,000
some areas in newport soon were ankle

3177
02:05:20,310 --> 02:05:18,239
deep in crickets one store keeper filled

3178
02:05:21,750 --> 02:05:20,320
a gallon bucket full of the intruders on

3179
02:05:23,510 --> 02:05:21,760
the first night of the invasion and was

3180
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:23,520
prepared for more

3181
02:05:28,149 --> 02:05:25,920
entomologist harvey barton of arkansas

3182
02:05:30,149 --> 02:05:28,159
state university in jonesboro

3183
02:05:31,669 --> 02:05:30,159
thought perhaps climate changes were

3184
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:31,679
responsible for the migration although

3185
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:32,960
he admitted he had never heard of a

3186
02:05:36,870 --> 02:05:35,280
qriket migrate a migration before making

3187
02:05:38,709 --> 02:05:36,880
the best of the situation some locals

3188
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:38,719
youngsters busily scooped up the hopping

3189
02:05:43,030 --> 02:05:40,400
visitors and sold them the local bait

3190
02:05:45,510 --> 02:05:43,040
shop that was the entire story and

3191
02:05:47,189 --> 02:05:45,520
almost every issue for a number of years

3192
02:05:49,830 --> 02:05:47,199
would have a short piece by lucious

3193
02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:49,840
farish i love it maybe the collected

3194
02:05:55,830 --> 02:05:52,400
works of lucius ferris hmm

3195
02:05:59,350 --> 02:05:55,840
he did publish a monograph in the uh i

3196
02:06:01,430 --> 02:05:59,360
think in the 19 later 1960s

3197
02:06:03,750 --> 02:06:01,440
which was published by controversial

3198
02:06:05,270 --> 02:06:03,760
phenomenon it was called omega and that

3199
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:05,280
was a bunch of

3200
02:06:11,030 --> 02:06:08,480
historical 40 things that he had found

3201
02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:11,040
and he collected them into this kind of

3202
02:06:14,950 --> 02:06:13,119
crudely published

3203
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:14,960
monograph and i think that's the closest

3204
02:06:19,270 --> 02:06:17,599
thing ever came to a book yes i remember

3205
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:19,280
that jerry you're right i had almost

3206
02:06:23,589 --> 02:06:21,679
forgotten that but yes i i have that yes

3207
02:06:25,109 --> 02:06:23,599
that was one of lou's you know probably

3208
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:25,119
the closest thing to you know a

3209
02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:27,199
regularly published thing yeah jerry i

3210
02:06:31,350 --> 02:06:28,800
mean i remember a lot of articles

3211
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:31,360
together for uh something like saga and

3212
02:06:37,430 --> 02:06:34,400
official ufo magazine back in the

3213
02:06:39,109 --> 02:06:37,440
mid to late 70s i seem to recall that

3214
02:06:40,310 --> 02:06:39,119
the two of you sharing bylines and some

3215
02:06:42,950 --> 02:06:40,320
articles about

3216
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:42,960
about the historical ufo phenomena yes

3217
02:06:47,030 --> 02:06:44,960
we wrote a number of articles on ghost

3218
02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:47,040
rockets and foo fighters

3219
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:49,040
and the airships that's the thing you

3220
02:06:53,589 --> 02:06:51,360
know we as i say that was one of the

3221
02:06:56,470 --> 02:06:53,599
things we get out of our mutual interest

3222
02:06:58,229 --> 02:06:56,480
how did you set about co-writing and i

3223
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:58,239
i've done this with a couple of authors

3224
02:07:02,310 --> 02:06:59,760
myself and it's always a little tricky

3225
02:07:04,069 --> 02:07:02,320
and did did one of you do the primary

3226
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:04,079
research and the other basically do the

3227
02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:05,599
writing or did you both

3228
02:07:10,390 --> 02:07:08,320
write this or how did you lou got most

3229
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:10,400
of the material and i did the writing

3230
02:07:14,790 --> 02:07:12,960
and sorting together and trying to get

3231
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:14,800
some kind of coherent narrative out of

3232
02:07:18,709 --> 02:07:16,880
it i know they were always fascinating

3233
02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:18,719
stories i mean i'd sit down that if i

3234
02:07:22,069 --> 02:07:19,520
saw

3235
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:22,079
a story with jerome clark and lucious

3236
02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:24,880
ferris as the byline i mean that usually

3237
02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:26,719
one of the first things that i'd go to

3238
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:28,000
because it was just

3239
02:07:51,510 --> 02:07:28,719
i

3240
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:51,520
the tremendous research that's been done

3241
02:07:56,229 --> 02:07:54,000
over the years i mean that stuff isn't

3242
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:56,239
available online is it well most of that

3243
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:58,400
stuff was published under first rights

3244
02:08:02,790 --> 02:08:00,880
which the after so much so much time the

3245
02:08:04,629 --> 02:08:02,800
right reverts back to the author so i

3246
02:08:07,589 --> 02:08:04,639
would think in the case of the joint

3247
02:08:09,189 --> 02:08:07,599
authorship of say jerry's and lew's work

3248
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:09,199
that would fall that

3249
02:08:13,109 --> 02:08:10,800
jury would have ownership of that now

3250
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:13,119
and as far as lose i guess that would go

3251
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:14,960
to the estate wouldn't it we'll have to

3252
02:08:19,109 --> 02:08:17,199
do that kind of probing

3253
02:08:23,730 --> 02:08:19,119
and a lot more with gene and chris

3254
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:25,990
[Music]

3255
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:28,400
are you tired of searching for great

3256
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:30,719
talk radio something more important

3257
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search no more we are the gcn radio

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does not use any database you get full

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control of all your files want to view

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the images of a folder drag it into

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graphic inverter and a powerful browser

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opens up to show your image files you

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could use it for slideshows you could

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use it to import images from digital

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cameras or from scanners need to do some

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image editing you can do that too in

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graphic inverter also print catalogs

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that's what it sounds like when a

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burglar kicks in the door of a dark

3310
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house that looks like no one is home

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watching television with fake tv fake tv

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is a small electronic device that makes

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the same light as a real television so

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from outside it looks like someone is

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home watching tv fake tv plugs in just

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like a lamp on a timer but is far more

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convincing to burglars fake tv deters

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burglars cost far less than an alarm and

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is highly recommended by numerous police

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departments use it anytime you're away

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3329
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you call 877 5 f a k e tv or go to

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faketv.com faketv.com

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the burglar deterrent

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what is the most abundant resource on

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earth water it's essential for

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sustaining life but it's not always the

3335
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most available when disaster strikes

3336
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water quickly vanishes from store

3337
02:11:50,470 --> 02:11:48,320
shelves like it did during 911 katrina

3338
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japan and in joplin three days without

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water and your body begins to shut down

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don't risk being without an abundant

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hits get a flow jack hand well pump the

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pump giving you immediate access to

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plenty of cool clean water you could

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risk your family's health on a limited

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supply of stored water or you could be

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prepared with the reliable affordable

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3354
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3355
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3356
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flow jack hand 855-435-6525 pumps peace

3358
02:12:45,510 --> 02:12:42,709
this is jacques

3359
02:12:49,140 --> 02:12:45,520
you're listening to the power cast

3360
02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:49,150
the gold standard of paranormal radio

3361
02:12:53,750 --> 02:12:52,000
[Music]

3362
02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:53,760
with gene and chris you're in the power

3363
02:12:57,830 --> 02:12:56,320
cast talking about lucius ferris and now

3364
02:12:59,589 --> 02:12:57,840
obviously some collected works that

3365
02:13:02,229 --> 02:12:59,599
maybe we'd like to see again we have

3366
02:13:04,310 --> 02:13:02,239
rick hillberg nancy talbot jerome clark

3367
02:13:07,189 --> 02:13:04,320
kurt sutherly chris got any more

3368
02:13:09,189 --> 02:13:07,199
questions this one comes from angelo our

3369
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:09,199
resident skeptic moderator at

3370
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:11,360
forum.theparacast.com

3371
02:13:17,189 --> 02:13:14,400
angelo's always fun he provides a good

3372
02:13:19,510 --> 02:13:17,199
grounded skeptical viewpoint on our

3373
02:13:21,910 --> 02:13:19,520
forums and i'm gonna have to edit this

3374
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:21,920
one a little bit because he use he uses

3375
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:24,960
a naughty word i would like to know what

3376
02:13:28,870 --> 02:13:27,360
the guests think of all the division

3377
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:28,880
amongst the various research of

3378
02:13:32,870 --> 02:13:30,560
paranormal topics

3379
02:13:35,109 --> 02:13:32,880
is there any way that researchers can

3380
02:13:36,149 --> 02:13:35,119
come to a certain agreement about

3381
02:13:38,550 --> 02:13:36,159
anything

3382
02:13:41,109 --> 02:13:38,560
so that they can convince people like me

3383
02:13:42,950 --> 02:13:41,119
i'm what could be considered as a

3384
02:13:44,709 --> 02:13:42,960
expletive skeptic

3385
02:13:45,990 --> 02:13:44,719
chris i trust you'll edit that one for

3386
02:13:48,390 --> 02:13:46,000
radio

3387
02:13:49,669 --> 02:13:48,400
yes he did is there really something

3388
02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:49,679
going on

3389
02:13:53,270 --> 02:13:51,040
that is more than just people's

3390
02:13:55,510 --> 02:13:53,280
perceptions let's take this round robin

3391
02:13:57,189 --> 02:13:55,520
kurt sutherly what's your answer oh

3392
02:14:00,069 --> 02:13:57,199
there's definitely something going on

3393
02:14:02,310 --> 02:14:00,079
that's beyond our kin i mean it's i

3394
02:14:04,629 --> 02:14:02,320
think all of us have had some sort of an

3395
02:14:07,750 --> 02:14:04,639
anomalous experience whether it was a

3396
02:14:09,910 --> 02:14:07,760
ufo encounter of some sort or something

3397
02:14:12,629 --> 02:14:09,920
else

3398
02:14:14,470 --> 02:14:12,639
the question is what was it i mean

3399
02:14:16,390 --> 02:14:14,480
is it you know are we dealing with you

3400
02:14:18,149 --> 02:14:16,400
know nuts and bolts extraterrestrial

3401
02:14:19,510 --> 02:14:18,159
spacecraft are we dealing with something

3402
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:19,520
that's interdimensional something that's

3403
02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:21,679
paraphysical something has to do with as

3404
02:14:25,750 --> 02:14:23,920
nancy put in human consciousness we

3405
02:14:27,669 --> 02:14:25,760
really don't know that the subject is

3406
02:14:30,550 --> 02:14:27,679
too complex unless we can get some

3407
02:14:32,470 --> 02:14:30,560
people involved that really have

3408
02:14:34,550 --> 02:14:32,480
the expertise we may never know we may

3409
02:14:35,430 --> 02:14:34,560
go to our graves just scratching our

3410
02:14:38,830 --> 02:14:35,440
head

3411
02:14:42,149 --> 02:14:38,840
leave a lot of dandruff around

3412
02:14:43,750 --> 02:14:42,159
yeah rick hillberg

3413
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:43,760
well i really i really have to agree

3414
02:14:48,550 --> 02:14:46,079
with kurt something is definitely going

3415
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:48,560
on whether you know we've experienced it

3416
02:14:54,870 --> 02:14:51,520
ourselves as investigators or not just

3417
02:14:56,870 --> 02:14:54,880
getting you know the witnesses testimony

3418
02:14:59,270 --> 02:14:56,880
there are so many egos involved i think

3419
02:15:01,350 --> 02:14:59,280
that's why a lot of the researchers or

3420
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:01,360
you know cannot get along they have

3421
02:15:05,109 --> 02:15:03,040
their own pet theories they have their

3422
02:15:07,669 --> 02:15:05,119
own pet cases whatever they have their

3423
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:07,679
own take that's unfortunate but i mean

3424
02:15:12,709 --> 02:15:10,159
that that even happens in real science

3425
02:15:14,629 --> 02:15:12,719
now and then but i think you know

3426
02:15:16,950 --> 02:15:14,639
in looking at a whole overview of this

3427
02:15:19,430 --> 02:15:16,960
thing we talked about what lou had done

3428
02:15:21,750 --> 02:15:19,440
and his clipping services his one little

3429
02:15:24,229 --> 02:15:21,760
monograph that he did and and some of

3430
02:15:27,189 --> 02:15:24,239
the articles at least you know this

3431
02:15:30,069 --> 02:15:27,199
stuff is ending up somewhere and

3432
02:15:31,830 --> 02:15:30,079
organizations such as mufon and qfos you

3433
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:31,840
know they're publishing

3434
02:15:37,990 --> 02:15:34,800
this this stuff is going to be available

3435
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:38,000
you know to future historians

3436
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,760
uh whether they be you know physical

3437
02:15:45,189 --> 02:15:42,000
scientists or behavioral scientists and

3438
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:45,199
and some days someone may be able to

3439
02:15:48,870 --> 02:15:47,360
make some sense of this all and tie the

3440
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:48,880
whole thing together

3441
02:15:56,550 --> 02:15:52,800
nancy okay i'm with the gang so far but

3442
02:16:02,310 --> 02:15:56,560
i i also have this idea that

3443
02:16:04,550 --> 02:16:02,320
um people who call themselves skeptics

3444
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:04,560
have the right to do so

3445
02:16:09,189 --> 02:16:05,840
only

3446
02:16:11,270 --> 02:16:09,199
if they actually have made an effort and

3447
02:16:14,390 --> 02:16:11,280
continue to make an effort

3448
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:14,400
to read and absorb

3449
02:16:20,550 --> 02:16:17,040
and seriously consider

3450
02:16:23,109 --> 02:16:20,560
uh the better information which is out

3451
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:23,119
there i mean egos

3452
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:24,800
we all have an ego you know everybody's

3453
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:26,239
got one of course

3454
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:29,360
i resemble that remark

3455
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:30,960
i mean one

3456
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:33,679
and talking about scientists by the way

3457
02:16:38,230 --> 02:16:35,599
if you don't think they have egos you

3458
02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:38,240
don't know any scientists uh they fight

3459
02:16:43,349 --> 02:16:40,800
you know tooth and nail about

3460
02:16:47,110 --> 02:16:43,359
every new paper that comes out every new

3461
02:16:49,589 --> 02:16:47,120
fact which is proposed as a fact and it

3462
02:16:52,469 --> 02:16:49,599
is then reevaluated by god knows how

3463
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:52,479
many of these professional people

3464
02:16:56,629 --> 02:16:54,240
until eventually

3465
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:56,639
it becomes an accepted fact

3466
02:16:59,990 --> 02:16:58,080
now

3467
02:17:02,870 --> 02:17:00,000
the skeptic

3468
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:02,880
uh i mean i i admire and respect

3469
02:17:08,870 --> 02:17:05,840
skeptics if they are genuine skeptics if

3470
02:17:11,669 --> 02:17:08,880
their interest is is great enough that

3471
02:17:15,509 --> 02:17:11,679
they bother to inform themselves about

3472
02:17:18,790 --> 02:17:15,519
what is actually known uh

3473
02:17:20,549 --> 02:17:18,800
what i find is that many people who call

3474
02:17:22,790 --> 02:17:20,559
themselves skeptics i don't know this

3475
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:22,800
person you're referring to but many of

3476
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:25,040
the people who do generally

3477
02:17:30,790 --> 02:17:27,599
are people who have made no effort

3478
02:17:32,790 --> 02:17:30,800
to become informed of the serious work

3479
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:32,800
that's available

3480
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:35,599
and in that case i have to i'm thinking

3481
02:17:39,349 --> 02:17:36,960
that what we're talking about is

3482
02:17:41,270 --> 02:17:39,359
armchair critics

3483
02:17:43,270 --> 02:17:41,280
and i don't have a hell of a lot of

3484
02:17:45,349 --> 02:17:43,280
patience for that because

3485
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:45,359
i don't sit in an armchair i'm out there

3486
02:17:49,349 --> 02:17:46,479
working

3487
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:49,359
and i know many of you guys are too

3488
02:17:53,190 --> 02:17:50,240
and

3489
02:17:55,429 --> 02:17:53,200
so comments that come to me from someone

3490
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:55,439
who has never done any real work him or

3491
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:56,559
herself

3492
02:18:00,230 --> 02:17:59,280
i've come to understand it's more from

3493
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:00,240
their

3494
02:18:05,669 --> 02:18:04,399
they're content with

3495
02:18:07,190 --> 02:18:05,679
and that's fine

3496
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:07,200
it's okay with me

3497
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:11,200
but i want people who challenge my work

3498
02:18:15,750 --> 02:18:13,760
to be informed about my work

3499
02:18:16,629 --> 02:18:15,760
to actually know what the hell the work

3500
02:18:18,469 --> 02:18:16,639
is

3501
02:18:19,589 --> 02:18:18,479
so that then we can have an actual

3502
02:18:21,589 --> 02:18:19,599
debate

3503
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:21,599
jerry clark what's your response

3504
02:18:27,429 --> 02:18:24,960
well i think the term skeptic is is an

3505
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:27,439
ideological construct just

3506
02:18:31,910 --> 02:18:29,359
doesn't interest me

3507
02:18:34,389 --> 02:18:31,920
i'm there's much like any sensible

3508
02:18:36,629 --> 02:18:34,399
person i'm skeptical of and that's

3509
02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:36,639
another thing i'm skeptical is receive

3510
02:18:40,469 --> 02:18:38,639
knowledge it's clear that there's a

3511
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:40,479
great deal we don't know

3512
02:18:44,389 --> 02:18:43,280
and the massive testimony of human

3513
02:18:47,030 --> 02:18:44,399
beings

3514
02:18:49,910 --> 02:18:47,040
over many many centuries

3515
02:18:51,990 --> 02:18:49,920
to extraordinary experiences is a lot

3516
02:18:55,110 --> 02:18:52,000
more interesting to me

3517
02:18:56,709 --> 02:18:55,120
than some individuals rejection of it

3518
02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:56,719
i think that

3519
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:59,200
we have a lot to know we have a lot more

3520
02:19:02,790 --> 02:19:00,639
to know the human

3521
02:19:03,669 --> 02:19:02,800
adventure is not over

3522
02:19:07,750 --> 02:19:03,679
and

3523
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:07,760
be all that much longer science will

3524
02:19:13,509 --> 02:19:10,559
turn its attention to ufos and other

3525
02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:13,519
anomalies and actually go back and look

3526
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:16,000
at the literature the more serious among

3527
02:19:22,150 --> 02:19:18,399
us have put together for example the two

3528
02:19:23,190 --> 02:19:22,160
volumes of nycap's dick halls the ufo

3529
02:19:25,429 --> 02:19:23,200
evidence

3530
02:19:27,669 --> 02:19:25,439
and eddie bullard's book the ufo

3531
02:19:29,750 --> 02:19:27,679
phenomenon published a year too by

3532
02:19:32,469 --> 02:19:29,760
university press of kansas

3533
02:19:34,870 --> 02:19:32,479
i hope my ufo encyclopedia

3534
02:19:36,629 --> 02:19:34,880
and books like this and and uh

3535
02:19:39,669 --> 02:19:36,639
science will move forward one of the

3536
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:39,679
problems that it has is that it lacks a

3537
02:19:46,230 --> 02:19:43,120
theoretic theoretical structure for

3538
02:19:48,630 --> 02:19:46,240
anomalous phenomena and so it's easier

3539
02:19:51,349 --> 02:19:48,640
to ignore them and then when pressed to

3540
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:51,359
deny them than to deal with them at our

3541
02:19:56,630 --> 02:19:54,000
current state of knowledge but

3542
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:56,640
knowledge advances the human adventure

3543
02:20:00,469 --> 02:19:59,040
continues and i think we're in for

3544
02:20:02,230 --> 02:20:00,479
some very interesting times

3545
02:20:04,790 --> 02:20:02,240
unfortunately most of us won't be proud

3546
02:20:07,110 --> 02:20:04,800
to see it but it's going to happen jerry

3547
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:07,120
i i totally agree with you on that and

3548
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:08,880
and one thing that i wanted to bring up

3549
02:20:13,670 --> 02:20:11,840
uh quickly before you know the show ends

3550
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:13,680
and and we've really flown through uh

3551
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:15,280
you know the show today

3552
02:20:20,230 --> 02:20:18,000
and that is the role of the internet and

3553
02:20:22,309 --> 02:20:20,240
the role of young people getting

3554
02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:22,319
inspired and involved and intrigued in

3555
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:25,600
this whole subject area um we're seeing

3556
02:20:29,830 --> 02:20:27,600
you know the the kid brothers of the

3557
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:29,840
original wave of investigators so we're

3558
02:20:33,349 --> 02:20:31,840
slowly losing them

3559
02:20:35,110 --> 02:20:33,359
you know every year

3560
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:35,120
and i think we need to

3561
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:38,240
adapt this area of research to the new

3562
02:20:42,630 --> 02:20:40,800
paradigm which features the internet now

3563
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:42,640
we all know that there are most of

3564
02:20:47,429 --> 02:20:45,200
what's on the internet uh isn't even

3565
02:20:48,469 --> 02:20:47,439
worthy of your time to discover that

3566
02:20:51,510 --> 02:20:48,479
it's just

3567
02:20:52,309 --> 02:20:51,520
a bunch of true believer uh fantasy

3568
02:20:54,230 --> 02:20:52,319
and

3569
02:20:57,670 --> 02:20:54,240
what kind of

3570
02:21:00,150 --> 02:20:57,680
way can we use the internet to to

3571
02:21:02,389 --> 02:21:00,160
possibly replace the old you know ufo

3572
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:02,399
conference paradigm let's say and and

3573
02:21:06,950 --> 02:21:04,960
move this thing forward in a way

3574
02:21:09,670 --> 02:21:06,960
that all of our panel members would

3575
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:09,680
agree would be a healthy way to educate

3576
02:21:15,110 --> 02:21:10,640
people

3577
02:21:17,590 --> 02:21:15,120
subject what what kind of of

3578
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:17,600
way can we utilize the internet i'm just

3579
02:21:21,750 --> 02:21:20,880
putting that one out there for everybody

3580
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:21,760
i

3581
02:21:27,510 --> 02:21:25,120
a forum

3582
02:21:29,110 --> 02:21:27,520
that was uh

3583
02:21:30,230 --> 02:21:29,120
edited

3584
02:21:32,389 --> 02:21:30,240
by

3585
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:32,399
uh an intelligent

3586
02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:35,840
uh truly uh curious individual

3587
02:21:40,389 --> 02:21:37,760
who was well informed

3588
02:21:42,309 --> 02:21:40,399
that would be a godsend

3589
02:21:45,030 --> 02:21:42,319
well it's yeah that that's that's a good

3590
02:21:47,429 --> 02:21:45,040
that's a good idea nancy uh

3591
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:47,439
but getting it done i don't know uh the

3592
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:49,920
internet uh is is

3593
02:21:55,270 --> 02:21:52,399
you know a lot different than uh uh

3594
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:55,280
traditional you know ufology was so i i

3595
02:22:00,230 --> 02:21:57,600
i'm somewhat skeptical if anything can

3596
02:22:02,630 --> 02:22:00,240
ever you know develop there it's it's so

3597
02:22:05,110 --> 02:22:02,640
it's such a free-for-all situation i i

3598
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:05,120
really don't know and we do know this we

3599
02:22:09,510 --> 02:22:07,680
have a great collection of guests and

3600
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:09,520
we're going to continue with one more

3601
02:22:15,030 --> 02:22:12,399
segment with kurt sutherly jerry clark

3602
02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:15,040
nancy talbot rick hillberg with gene and

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3664
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hi this is alex jones did you know that

3665
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the global elite are now storing

3666
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3667
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vaults near the arctic circle did you

3668
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know that in a real meltdown non-hybrid

3669
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seeds could become more valuable than

3670
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silver or gold it's true seeds have

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outperformed even gold and silver before

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in this country and it's possible that

3673
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it could even happen again so our

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friends at solutions from science have

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put together the perfect mix of

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seed bank and it can produce an endless

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3680
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modified in any way you actually get

3682
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3684
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3689
02:26:34,070 --> 02:26:32,070
remember in a real crisis non-hybrid

3690
02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:34,080
seeds are the ultimate barter item this

3691
02:26:43,910 --> 02:26:41,510
this is leslie kane and i'm with the

3692
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coalition for freedom of information and

3693
02:26:50,309 --> 02:26:47,280
you are listening to the paracast

3694
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:50,319
this is it folks we've been honoring the

3695
02:26:54,309 --> 02:26:52,080
life and times of lucious farish by

3696
02:26:57,030 --> 02:26:54,319
trying to put ufo research into

3697
02:26:59,349 --> 02:26:57,040
perspective with rick hillberg and jerry

3698
02:27:01,830 --> 02:26:59,359
clark kurt sutherly and nancy talbot see

3699
02:27:04,230 --> 02:27:01,840
i gave you all your names without having

3700
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:04,240
to look at any reference card so those

3701
02:27:09,750 --> 02:27:06,479
who say i am old and senile

3702
02:27:13,270 --> 02:27:09,760
no not yet i'm still here so the point

3703
02:27:14,389 --> 02:27:13,280
is also an interesting officialdom as

3704
02:27:17,349 --> 02:27:14,399
they say

3705
02:27:19,510 --> 02:27:17,359
in doing something serious about ufos

3706
02:27:21,190 --> 02:27:19,520
obviously there are those out there who

3707
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:21,200
i'm going to have to mention this word

3708
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:24,800
just very briefly the d word disclosure

3709
02:27:27,510 --> 02:27:26,720
they tried that petition which ended up

3710
02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:27,520
being

3711
02:27:32,870 --> 02:27:30,720
laughable in terms of results so

3712
02:27:35,510 --> 02:27:32,880
is there a way that we can persuade

3713
02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:35,520
officialdom or official science

3714
02:27:40,389 --> 02:27:37,439
let's start with nancy talbott

3715
02:27:42,070 --> 02:27:40,399
round robin well in fact

3716
02:27:44,389 --> 02:27:42,080
uh we have

3717
02:27:48,389 --> 02:27:44,399
and i don't mean me i mean we

3718
02:27:50,070 --> 02:27:48,399
collectively have in fact interested

3719
02:27:52,790 --> 02:27:50,080
some members

3720
02:27:54,150 --> 02:27:52,800
at the highest level of official you

3721
02:27:56,309 --> 02:27:54,160
know scientists

3722
02:27:59,590 --> 02:27:56,319
i know a number of them

3723
02:28:02,870 --> 02:27:59,600
with whom we work one of whom

3724
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:02,880
a very prominent scientist with the usgs

3725
02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:06,720
who has recently retired i the point i'm

3726
02:28:08,950 --> 02:28:08,080
i want to make

3727
02:28:13,190 --> 02:28:08,960
in

3728
02:28:14,150 --> 02:28:13,200
of this as some of you guys

3729
02:28:15,510 --> 02:28:14,160
but

3730
02:28:19,349 --> 02:28:15,520
i'm seeing

3731
02:28:22,790 --> 02:28:19,359
uh personally a massive increase

3732
02:28:24,790 --> 02:28:22,800
in top i mean top drawer the some of the

3733
02:28:27,190 --> 02:28:24,800
best of our scientists

3734
02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:27,200
not just in this country either

3735
02:28:31,830 --> 02:28:29,760
who do respond

3736
02:28:34,550 --> 02:28:31,840
to hard science

3737
02:28:37,190 --> 02:28:34,560
if it is in their field

3738
02:28:38,630 --> 02:28:37,200
because nowadays science has become so

3739
02:28:42,309 --> 02:28:38,640
sophisticated

3740
02:28:43,510 --> 02:28:42,319
that a real expertise in requires

3741
02:28:45,030 --> 02:28:43,520
enormous

3742
02:28:47,910 --> 02:28:45,040
amounts of work

3743
02:28:49,510 --> 02:28:47,920
in any one field one of the mit guys

3744
02:28:51,190 --> 02:28:49,520
that i work with for instance is a

3745
02:28:53,190 --> 02:28:51,200
particle physicist

3746
02:28:55,110 --> 02:28:53,200
i would have to when i was taking

3747
02:28:58,389 --> 02:28:55,120
reports to him

3748
02:28:59,429 --> 02:28:58,399
from leaving good who is a biophysicist

3749
02:29:01,270 --> 02:28:59,439
he would

3750
02:29:04,309 --> 02:29:01,280
require that i

3751
02:29:07,429 --> 02:29:04,319
uh interpret the terminology

3752
02:29:09,670 --> 02:29:07,439
in our reports because as a particle

3753
02:29:10,950 --> 02:29:09,680
physicist the terminology that he was

3754
02:29:12,790 --> 02:29:10,960
familiar with

3755
02:29:14,469 --> 02:29:12,800
did not include

3756
02:29:16,950 --> 02:29:14,479
the kind of terminology that was

3757
02:29:18,469 --> 02:29:16,960
regularly used in biophysics we're

3758
02:29:20,070 --> 02:29:18,479
running sheriff time i have to get to

3759
02:29:21,750 --> 02:29:20,080
the other people on the panel here for

3760
02:29:23,510 --> 02:29:21,760
some comments point

3761
02:29:25,910 --> 02:29:23,520
you know there's that science has become

3762
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:25,920
very complex when a piece of work is

3763
02:29:31,590 --> 02:29:28,800
done that they recognize as real they

3764
02:29:33,270 --> 02:29:31,600
immediately become interested i have to

3765
02:29:34,950 --> 02:29:33,280
frame it in a way that they will

3766
02:29:37,510 --> 02:29:34,960
recognize rick hillberg what's your

3767
02:29:39,670 --> 02:29:37,520
response well i think i kind of go along

3768
02:29:42,630 --> 02:29:39,680
with what jerry said previously i think

3769
02:29:45,429 --> 02:29:42,640
in due time science as a you know the

3770
02:29:48,469 --> 02:29:45,439
the big word s will probably

3771
02:29:51,990 --> 02:29:48,479
get around to figuring out what uh what

3772
02:29:54,309 --> 02:29:52,000
ufos are but it may take some time and

3773
02:29:56,309 --> 02:29:54,319
they probably aren't going to think of

3774
02:29:58,389 --> 02:29:56,319
the efforts people like you put into it

3775
02:30:01,429 --> 02:29:58,399
unfortunately they'll

3776
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:01,439
find it discovered independently and

3777
02:30:05,110 --> 02:30:03,359
then the media will cover it seriously

3778
02:30:07,349 --> 02:30:05,120
but they won't recognize people been

3779
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:07,359
following the subject for six decades is

3780
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:09,359
that what you think jerry no

3781
02:30:12,950 --> 02:30:10,960
i don't think that i think that when

3782
02:30:14,710 --> 02:30:12,960
they do catch up with it they'll see

3783
02:30:16,630 --> 02:30:14,720
they'll have to go back and trace these

3784
02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:16,640
treatment and they'll say what did we

3785
02:30:21,110 --> 02:30:18,800
miss and they will find the most serious

3786
02:30:22,790 --> 02:30:21,120
writers and researchers and they and

3787
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:22,800
that will be the basis of the new

3788
02:30:26,309 --> 02:30:24,479
science no i don't think that what we're

3789
02:30:27,670 --> 02:30:26,319
doing is for naught

3790
02:30:29,910 --> 02:30:27,680
so they'll be visiting lots of

3791
02:30:32,630 --> 02:30:29,920
retirement homes and they'll find us

3792
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:32,640
or they'll find our work kurt sutherly

3793
02:30:36,870 --> 02:30:34,160
what's your response

3794
02:30:39,190 --> 02:30:36,880
i suspect it's happening already i think

3795
02:30:40,950 --> 02:30:39,200
and i referred to quantum mechanics

3796
02:30:42,389 --> 02:30:40,960
earlier i think the quantum physicists

3797
02:30:44,230 --> 02:30:42,399
who by the way

3798
02:30:46,790 --> 02:30:44,240
are not very well liked from what i

3799
02:30:48,950 --> 02:30:46,800
gather by the classical physicists who

3800
02:30:51,910 --> 02:30:48,960
tend to look like quantum mechanics is

3801
02:30:53,349 --> 02:30:51,920
voodoo or magic or something of the sort

3802
02:30:55,030 --> 02:30:53,359
i think the people that are involved in

3803
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:55,040
quantum research

3804
02:30:56,950 --> 02:30:55,840
are

3805
02:30:58,870 --> 02:30:56,960
kind of

3806
02:31:00,710 --> 02:30:58,880
indirectly taking a look at the ufo

3807
02:31:02,950 --> 02:31:00,720
phenomenon and i think they're starting

3808
02:31:04,950 --> 02:31:02,960
to suspect that there is a tie-in

3809
02:31:06,790 --> 02:31:04,960
and i think jerry is correct i think

3810
02:31:08,630 --> 02:31:06,800
once they get more deeply involved in

3811
02:31:10,389 --> 02:31:08,640
this they're going to have to go back

3812
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:10,399
there's no they really have no recourse

3813
02:31:15,030 --> 02:31:12,960
they need historical data something

3814
02:31:16,469 --> 02:31:15,040
to use as a foundation and they're going

3815
02:31:17,670 --> 02:31:16,479
to have to go back through that that

3816
02:31:19,190 --> 02:31:17,680
information

3817
02:31:21,590 --> 02:31:19,200
and take a look at what's been written

3818
02:31:23,190 --> 02:31:21,600
what's you know what's gone before they

3819
02:31:25,590 --> 02:31:23,200
they're not going to have any choice i

3820
02:31:28,790 --> 02:31:25,600
would sure as heck hope so and i would

3821
02:31:31,190 --> 02:31:28,800
think that lou's name may arise from

3822
02:31:33,349 --> 02:31:31,200
time to time when they do that i would

3823
02:31:34,870 --> 02:31:33,359
think so that'd be real nice

3824
02:31:36,710 --> 02:31:34,880
you're gonna say something rick i just

3825
02:31:38,870 --> 02:31:36,720
said definitely yeah we will

3826
02:31:40,790 --> 02:31:38,880
be recognized for sure

3827
02:31:44,389 --> 02:31:40,800
i have one thing i wanted to tell you

3828
02:31:46,070 --> 02:31:44,399
guys all of you and that is that these

3829
02:31:47,830 --> 02:31:46,080
some of these very sophisticated

3830
02:31:49,110 --> 02:31:47,840
scientists with whom i've been in touch

3831
02:31:52,070 --> 02:31:49,120
recently

3832
02:31:53,510 --> 02:31:52,080
have expressed to me amazement

3833
02:31:55,750 --> 02:31:53,520
when they

3834
02:31:56,950 --> 02:31:55,760
having become interested having done

3835
02:32:00,150 --> 02:31:56,960
some reading

3836
02:32:01,910 --> 02:32:00,160
then approach their own colleagues with

3837
02:32:04,710 --> 02:32:01,920
some of these questions

3838
02:32:05,990 --> 02:32:04,720
only to find that their own colleagues

3839
02:32:07,750 --> 02:32:06,000
people they've known their entire

3840
02:32:11,510 --> 02:32:07,760
professional lives

3841
02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:11,520
will refuse to discuss these subjects

3842
02:32:16,950 --> 02:32:15,040
so we still have a way to go but

3843
02:32:19,750 --> 02:32:16,960
more and more people are beginning to

3844
02:32:21,510 --> 02:32:19,760
realize the emotional

3845
02:32:24,309 --> 02:32:21,520
bias that

3846
02:32:27,190 --> 02:32:24,319
a lot of the scientific community has

3847
02:32:29,349 --> 02:32:27,200
and slowly i think it will be overcome

3848
02:32:31,270 --> 02:32:29,359
you have new wave science you have the

3849
02:32:32,550 --> 02:32:31,280
young researchers that have come on the

3850
02:32:35,270 --> 02:32:32,560
scene just as

3851
02:32:36,790 --> 02:32:35,280
20 30 years ago or more there were the

3852
02:32:38,550 --> 02:32:36,800
new younger uf

3853
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:38,560
ufo researchers who came on the scene

3854
02:32:43,429 --> 02:32:41,120
but the the young physicists the young

3855
02:32:46,150 --> 02:32:43,439
astrophysicists the young researchers

3856
02:32:49,750 --> 02:32:46,160
today do not look at science the way

3857
02:32:51,270 --> 02:32:49,760
the old guild guard looked at it exactly

3858
02:32:53,349 --> 02:32:51,280
they see it completely different and

3859
02:32:55,030 --> 02:32:53,359
they're much much more open-minded about

3860
02:32:57,030 --> 02:32:55,040
about how they approach the

3861
02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:57,040
uh these subjects often said

3862
02:33:04,150 --> 02:32:59,520
that science progresses one funeral at a

3863
02:33:08,630 --> 02:33:05,349
you know this has been the kind of

3864
02:33:10,790 --> 02:33:08,640
session where you almost think we've got

3865
02:33:12,150 --> 02:33:10,800
six people in a room

3866
02:33:14,469 --> 02:33:12,160
late at night

3867
02:33:16,469 --> 02:33:14,479
at one of those ufo conferences talking

3868
02:33:19,190 --> 02:33:16,479
shops don't start barging at the lone

3869
02:33:22,710 --> 02:33:19,200
star bar this is a classic lone star bar

3870
02:33:24,309 --> 02:33:22,720
conversation actually yeah right yeah

3871
02:33:27,349 --> 02:33:24,319
and that's the best part of any ufo

3872
02:33:29,910 --> 02:33:27,359
conference i can hear gary massey and

3873
02:33:30,950 --> 02:33:29,920
dave perkins and

3874
02:33:33,110 --> 02:33:30,960
you know

3875
02:33:35,750 --> 02:33:33,120
these guys uh

3876
02:33:37,429 --> 02:33:35,760
no no no nancy nancy it's late at night

3877
02:33:39,590 --> 02:33:37,439
and people are starting to peel off and

3878
02:33:42,150 --> 02:33:39,600
gary's like admonishing them for not

3879
02:33:44,469 --> 02:33:42,160
yelling calf rope like they finally have

3880
02:33:47,910 --> 02:33:44,479
given up so if you give up and you have

3881
02:33:49,590 --> 02:33:47,920
to go to bed calf rope exactly exactly a

3882
02:33:51,110 --> 02:33:49,600
lot of the people listening to this

3883
02:33:53,270 --> 02:33:51,120
they'll be listening to this probably

3884
02:33:55,429 --> 02:33:53,280
late at night and they're going to feel

3885
02:33:57,510 --> 02:33:55,439
like they were sitting in a room with us

3886
02:34:01,030 --> 02:33:57,520
the only difference is that every 10

3887
02:34:02,309 --> 02:34:01,040
minutes they didn't have the commercials

3888
02:34:03,670 --> 02:34:02,319
it's the only difference otherwise the

3889
02:34:05,910 --> 02:34:03,680
same thing otherwise it would be

3890
02:34:07,670 --> 02:34:05,920
identical to the experience of putting

3891
02:34:09,670 --> 02:34:07,680
people together and maybe the language

3892
02:34:11,349 --> 02:34:09,680
would be a bit looser but we have a

3893
02:34:13,270 --> 02:34:11,359
family audience and we have to respect

3894
02:34:15,590 --> 02:34:13,280
their needs but that's how it goes

3895
02:34:16,389 --> 02:34:15,600
now lou would love that idea i know he

3896
02:34:18,870 --> 02:34:16,399
would

3897
02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:18,880
oh i so wish we could have actually had

3898
02:34:23,510 --> 02:34:20,800
him come on but

3899
02:34:24,870 --> 02:34:23,520
came too late for him i'm sorry to say

3900
02:34:26,870 --> 02:34:24,880
well maybe somewhere he's oh you're

3901
02:34:29,270 --> 02:34:26,880
doing a good job you're doing a good job

3902
02:34:30,950 --> 02:34:29,280
you keep doing it thank you nancy i'm

3903
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:30,960
going to ask round robin about where we

3904
02:34:34,469 --> 02:34:32,880
can find more of your information nancy

3905
02:34:35,270 --> 02:34:34,479
where can we find more of the things you

3906
02:34:40,550 --> 02:34:35,280
do

3907
02:34:42,630 --> 02:34:40,560
simple as that blt like the sandwich

3908
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:42,640
kurt your site is not up yet you don't

3909
02:34:46,389 --> 02:34:44,399
have a website no but all you have to do

3910
02:34:48,710 --> 02:34:46,399
is google my name and you know about a

3911
02:34:51,590 --> 02:34:48,720
million things pop up things that that

3912
02:34:53,429 --> 02:34:51,600
scare the hell out of me and uh

3913
02:34:55,510 --> 02:34:53,439
the information of my two books is out

3914
02:34:57,590 --> 02:34:55,520
there and they're still available from

3915
02:35:00,790 --> 02:34:57,600
amazon or from lewell and the publisher

3916
02:35:02,389 --> 02:35:00,800
and i'm still plugging away on my novel

3917
02:35:04,309 --> 02:35:02,399
rick hillberg you have a physical

3918
02:35:07,110 --> 02:35:04,319
publication with a physical address we

3919
02:35:09,510 --> 02:35:07,120
do yes flying saucer digest i'll tell

3920
02:35:13,270 --> 02:35:09,520
you what while supplies last as the old

3921
02:35:15,510 --> 02:35:13,280
uh advertising expression used to go

3922
02:35:17,910 --> 02:35:15,520
send me a snail some snail mail a

3923
02:35:21,910 --> 02:35:17,920
postcard if you remember what they are

3924
02:35:24,070 --> 02:35:21,920
or just a note you can send it to 377

3925
02:35:25,190 --> 02:35:24,080
race race

3926
02:35:28,790 --> 02:35:25,200
street

3927
02:35:29,990 --> 02:35:28,800
and the city is berea b-e-r-e-a

3928
02:35:32,150 --> 02:35:30,000
ohio

3929
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:32,160
44017

3930
02:35:36,870 --> 02:35:35,120
and i'll send you a sample copy of fsd a

3931
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:36,880
real print publication

3932
02:35:39,429 --> 02:35:38,240
jerry clark where do we find more for

3933
02:35:41,510 --> 02:35:39,439
your stuff

3934
02:35:44,070 --> 02:35:41,520
um at your local brick and mortar

3935
02:35:46,469 --> 02:35:44,080
bookstore or on amazon or some other

3936
02:35:49,110 --> 02:35:46,479
online publication they're all there

3937
02:35:51,110 --> 02:35:49,120
i'm writing an article for 40 times now

3938
02:35:54,389 --> 02:35:51,120
which will appear in the summer i do a

3939
02:35:56,710 --> 02:35:54,399
book review column for fate magazine and

3940
02:35:59,110 --> 02:35:56,720
i just keep plugging along i've

3941
02:36:01,429 --> 02:35:59,120
got another book coming out late this

3942
02:36:03,830 --> 02:36:01,439
year and i'm about to start another one

3943
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:03,840
so i'm always busy and he'll be back to

3944
02:36:06,950 --> 02:36:05,200
tell you about those books chris

3945
02:36:08,469 --> 02:36:06,960
o'brien's stuff by the way is our

3946
02:36:12,950 --> 02:36:08,479
strange planet

3947
02:36:14,870 --> 02:36:12,960
someday it's going to be redesigned

3948
02:36:16,550 --> 02:36:14,880
chris i promise

3949
02:36:19,750 --> 02:36:16,560
right he doesn't believe me by the way i

3950
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:19,760
think chris makes all that stuff up

3951
02:36:30,710 --> 02:36:27,910
okay kern southerly

3952
02:36:32,870 --> 02:36:30,720
jerome clark nancy talbot rick hillberg

3953
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:32,880
thank you all for joining us this week

3954
02:36:37,750 --> 02:36:35,280
on the power cast you're welcome and

3955
02:36:54,950 --> 02:36:37,760
good night to dear lou yes

3956
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:57,830
the powercast featuring gene steinberg

3957
02:37:03,670 --> 02:37:00,720
and christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

3958
02:37:05,429 --> 02:37:03,680
presentation of making the impossible

3959
02:37:09,590 --> 02:37:05,439
incorporated